Wishy washy policing

[Chippy_boy]

Firstly, we are policed ‘by consent’ ie ‘the power of the police coming from the common consent of the public, as opposed to the power of the state.’

Secondly, the current UK Govt does not have the police manpower to enforce the ‘power of the state’ even if they, like yourself, would rather they could do this and beat the living shit out of people they do not like.

Thirdly, seriously, move to Hong Kong, you’ll like the police there, and take Patel with you, she’ll be happier than a pig in shit.

Hahahahaha, another Tory bashing post from one of the resident lefties.

First, the "consent" is granted by the duly elected parliament mate. And with such consent the police are able to uphold the laws whether joe public likes it or not.

Second, your hatred of anything to do with a duly elected Tory government shines through everything you post. That you would state the the police would rather beat the living shit out of people? Well that says a lot about you, doesn't it.

Third. As if no proof were needed, you confirm it admirably.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

WTF has China and police states got to do with the price of bread. The law is not a set of optional guidelines. Is it unreasonable to ask the police to uphold it? No, it is not.

It's crap thinking like yours which has got us into this lawless mess.

I cycle to work and I can assure you that a fair proportion of other road users treat the Approved Code of Conduct/guidelines associated with the Road Traffic Act 1988, AKA The Highway Code as 'optional'.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I cycle to work and I can assure you that a fair proportion of other road users treat the Approved Code of Conduct/guidelines associated with the Road Traffic Act 1988, AKA The Highway Code as 'optional'.

I can well believe it!

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Easy, I've seen the pictures and what you wrote. QED.

BTW, did you actually READ my opening post? It would appear you did not.

Is it "unreasonable" for the police to state what the law is, rather than to "ask for people to be supportive"?

Is it "Impractical" for the police to say that people breaking the law may face prosecution?

Is it "impossible" for the police to issue more fines than the typical none which get dished out at present?.

EDIT: Never mind, who cares what you think.

You don't even know whether anyone has broken the law, you don't know the law and have jumped to conclusions.

It's easy to get on your high horse and chuck out soundbytes like lock them all up, or fine them. It is a whole different matter with coming up with a feasible plan to do it.

You used a picture to try and validate your opinion. I asked you to point out any person you could see in the picture who was actually doing anything wrong, you could not do that. I then asked how could the police realistically fine or prosecute everyone in the picture, you could not answer that.

Your solution to what you perceive is a problem is totally impractical and never going to happen.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You don't even know whether anyone has broken the law, you don't know the law and have jumped to conclusions.

It's easy to get on your high horse and chuck out soundbytes like lock them all up, or fine them. It is a whole different matter with coming up with a feasible plan to do it.

You used a picture to try and validate your opinion. I asked you to point out any person you could see in the picture who was actually doing anything wrong, you could not do that. I then asked how could the police realistically fine or prosecute everyone in the picture, you could not answer that.

Your solution to what you perceive is a problem is totally impractical and never going to happen.

"What I perceive is a problem"? Comedy gold. You started out being vaguely reasonable but in your desperation to defend the indefensible, have spiralled down into this la la land of complete nonsense. Mind the step.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

"What I perceive is a problem"? Comedy gold.

Validate you view that people gathering outside poses a threat of civil infection. The government does not think they do, as they are now allowing it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Validate you view that people gathering outside poses a threat of civil infection. The government does not think they do, as they are now allowing it.

I do not need to validate anything to you. But putting that aside, WTF are you talking about. Are you now suggesting that people should just be free to break the law because they don't agree with it? The law is 6 or two households. Not "as many as you like because there's no evidence it might infect people". You've lost the plot pal.

BTW, I am putting you on ignore now. You've long since ceased to add any meaningful contribution IMO. Enjoy your Easter break.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Your solution to what you perceive is a problem is totally impractical and never going to happen.

There was very much a problem last night at Castlefield bowl,not perception....but fact.

 

[BobKowalski]

Hahahahaha, another Tory bashing post from one of the resident lefties.

First, the "consent" is granted by the duly elected parliament mate. And with such consent the police are able to uphold the laws whether joe public likes it or not.

Second, your hatred of anything to do with a duly elected Tory government shines through everything you post. That you would state the the police would rather beat the living shit out of people? Well that says a lot about you, doesn't it.

Third. As if no proof were needed, you confirm it admirably.

The definition I cited was from the Home Office. It’s a fundamental principle of UK policing namely “unique in history and throughout the world, because it derived, not from fear, but almost exclusively from public co-operation with the police, induced by them designedly by behaviour which secures and maintains for them the approval, respect and affection of the public"

Your OP criticised the very notion of public co-operation and bemoaned the lack of ‘fear’ and want such ‘fear’ to be instilled by force, which is not very British.

 

[BobKowalski]

I feel your first two paragraphs are excellent points, I think the third was a little rude and suggests you may be 'a bit of a ****' - and not in a good way like myself.

Yes.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The definition I cited was from the Home Office. It’s a fundamental principle of UK policing namely “unique in history and throughout the world, because it derived, not from fear, but almost exclusively from public co-operation with the police, induced by them designedly by behaviour which secures and maintains for them the approval, respect and affection of the public"

Your OP criticised the very notion of public co-operation and bemoaned the lack of ‘fear’ and want such ‘fear’ to be instilled by force, which is not very British.

I don't want fear Bob, genuinely. Respect would be a better word. I want people to respect the law and to comply with it as much as is reasonably possible. Too many people have no respect for it, and/or think it's entirely optional.

And laws are useless if there is no prospect of at least a good change of one of (a) being caught, or (b) being punished if you are. If neither (a) or (b) is true, we might as well not bother and just have a free for all with everyone saying "fuck it, I'll do what I like". We are dangerously near that point already.

And I might have said that our approach to policing is admirable, bringing the public along with them etc rather than the "fear" approach you describe. But then you demonstrate anything BUT empathy and support for the police with your "they'd rather beat the shit out of people" and your other attacks on them in relation to recent events. Somewhat ironic.

 

[metalblue]

Those kids drinking in a park might seem harmless but if they go and see grandad this weekend then it isn't harmless is it? That is the problem and that's why laws exist to at least deter mixing for the time being. If it doesn't happen then grandad potentially gets COVID and dies, all thanks to what seems harmless.

If you look at the more collective and selfless cultures they all have had far less deaths. Many haven't even needed a vaccine because compliance with rules has eradicated COVID. In Japan people wear masks so other people don't get sick however here people are too stupid to care about that which is why there are still dic*heads who refuse to wear them.

Vaccines will begin to help this and allow us to get back to normal but it isn't going to go away so easily. As cases increase so will evolutionary pressure on the virus and that will generate evasive variants. It's still in our interest to keep cases low and that means being cautious when it comes to how we mix with others.

The fact is had the rules existed early enough and we all subsequently followed them to the letter then we would of been out of this months ago. We shouldn't need Police enforcement to achieve this but considering how dismissive and selfish people are then it seems we do.

If they go see grandad at the weekend and give him COVID and the poor bloke dies from it then that person is going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Probably punishment enough but if they’re the sort that don’t give a fuck no amount of police action is going to stop them.

We police by consent here. That’s just the way of it.

There is a wider problem of lack of respect for our police in this country.

I watched one of them caught on camera type shows and some little **** was trying to stab an officer. All the officer could do was try and defend himself and eventually overpower the little fucker. And these cunts know it, it’s a free swing for them. Worst case is they get tasered. Now if the officer was also carrying a knife and could pull it out all crocodile Dundee style I wonder how many of these little shits would try it? Same with protestors. Arm dibble with petrol bombs and bricks and see how much these cunts really want it. It would certainly help solve the backlog and funding problem for the justice system.

 

[BobKowalski]

I don't want fear Bob, genuinely. Respect would be a better word. I want people to respect the law and to comply with it as much as is reasonably possible. Too many people have no respect for it, and/or think it's entirely optional.

And laws are useless if there is no prospect of at least a good change of one of (a) being caught, or (b) being punished if you are. If neither (a) or (b) is true, we might as well not bother and just have a free for all with everyone saying "fuck it, I'll do what I like". We are dangerously near that point already.

And I might have said that our approach to policing is admirable, bringing the public along with them etc rather than the "fear" approach you describe. But then you demonstrate anything BUT empathy and support for the police with your "they'd rather beat the shit out of people" and your other attacks on them in relation to recent events. Somewhat ironic.

Fair enough. But respect is earnt and I don’t have respect for the handling of the Clapham vigil or the Bristol protests. Elsewhere the police handled vigils and protests a lot better, and that I can respect.

 

[west didsblue]

Wasn't Wishy washy a character in a pantomime? Can't remember if he was a policeman though.

 

[metalblue]

Fair enough. But respect is earnt and I don’t have respect for the handling of the Clapham vigil or the Bristol protests. Elsewhere the police handled vigils and protests a lot better, and that I can respect.

Perhaps the protestors handled the vigils a lot better elsewhere? By not having a minority turn up and wanting chucking shit at dibble and trying to have a fight with them?

Funny how it’s never half and half. It’s always one

 

[metalblue]

Wasn't Wishy washy a character in a pantomime? Can't remember if he was a policeman though.

Oh no it wasn’t

 

[BobKowalski]

Perhaps the protestors handled the vigils a lot better elsewhere? By not having a minority turn up and wanting chucking shit at dibble and trying to have a fight with them?

Funny how it’s never half and half. It’s always one

I swear, people will move mountains to avoid criticising the police. You’d think all policemen were the living embodiment of Mother fucking Teresa the way you lot tell it.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I swear, people will move mountains to avoid criticising the police. You’d think all policemen were the living embodiment of Mother fucking Teresa the way you lot tell it.

A lot of the problems in modern society stem from people not wanting to criticise.

No individual or organisation should be immune from criticism. That said, the police do a difficult and often thankless task, and people forget this. The from the best to the worst of society, coppers deal with them all. Some people though have the attitude that ALL Coppers are B*stard's, and it's simply not true.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

There was very much a problem last night at Castlefield bowl,not perception....but fact.

Yes I agree, it did not look good. It is practically impossible to fine or prosecute all those people though and the police were left to react to the situation.

No matter what we say or so, people are going to gather. It is alright saying no one should be doing it, lock them all up, in the real world that is just not going to happen.

The police should have been proactive and stationed 4 coppers on Castlefield and just had them walking round all afternoon and evening. Then the situation would have never got out of hand and it would not have turned into a rave. Sit in your groups, have a beer, enjoy the sunshine and put your shit in the bin when you leave.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

I swear, people will move mountains to avoid criticising the police. You’d think all policemen were the living embodiment of Mother fucking Teresa the way you lot tell it.

I have been absolutely shit on by the police and the CPS. Had 3 years of my life stolen from me because of them. But the police are no different from anyone else, they are just a reflection of society. Some of them are absolutely superb and go way above what they are expected to do. Some of th are absolute scum bags.