Wishy washy policing

[Nightmare Walking]

That's not the point I was making. You were suggesting "well they weren't doing any harm, were they". (Or else what were your comments about not seeing evidence for spikes in infection about?)

You are suggesting criminal prosecution and on the spot fines for what you have seen over the last few days, because people have broken the law. You had a massive rant about it. You can't even prove or have any evidence of people breaking the Covid laws.

I was advocating a more sensible and Pro active approach and gave reasons why I thought the approach you are advocating is way over the top.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Sorry I missed that line.

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How many people were fined for littering, do you reckon?

BTW, here's Leeds yesterday. All in groups of no more than 6, of course:

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You prove they're not in groups of 6

 

[Chippy_boy]

You are suggesting criminal prosecution and on the spot fines for what you have seen over the last few days, because people have broken the law. You had a massive rant about it. You can't even prove or have any evidence of people breaking the Covid laws.

I was advocating a more sensible and Pro active approach and gave reasons why I thought the approach you are advocating is way over the top.

And as I said, it's about balance and IMO the balance is all wrong atm. You are clearly happier about the state of slovenliness and general lawlessness our country into which our country has descended, than I am. And BTW I was not suggesting criminal prosecutions for everyone, but for rather more than the typical nil who get such at the moment.

And why should we NOT have on the spot fines for most? Few can be unaware that littering is against the law, so once can only assume they simply don't give a toss. I would have thought a fixed-penalty is entirely appropriate.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You prove they're not in groups of 6

Oh give over, you're just being silly. No groups from more than 2 households???? I suggest you take another look before posting such nonsense again.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You prove they're not in groups of 6

You might be onto something there mate, should be able to get 50000 into the Etihad 'in groups of 6' for the rest of the season ;-)

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Oh give over, you're just being silly. No groups from more than 2 households???? I suggest you take another look before posting such nonsense again.

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The rule of 6 can be from any house hold, it is not restricted to 6 people from 2 house holds.

Now looking at the picture you have posted, which persons can you prove have broken any law? The people you can see at the back are all sat in little groups and entirely consistent with what I saw when on a walk yesterday. The people at the front, you have no idea what is going on.

Which people on that picture should be given a fine or subject criminal prosecution?

 

[Chippy_boy]

The rule of 6 can be from any house hold, it is not restricted to 6 people from 2 house holds.

I stand corrected.

Now looking at the picture you have posted, which persons can you prove have broken any law? The people you can see at the back are all sat in little groups and entirely consistent with what I saw when on a walk yesterday. The people at the front, you have no idea what is going on.

Which people on that picture should be given a fine or subject criminal prosecution?

I wasn't there. I imagine if I was, it would have been rather easier to spot. But honestly I have no idea why you are trying to defend what is obviously indefensible with this "perhaps they were in groups of no more than 6" nonsense? OBVIOUSLY they aren't all following the rules so whereas you've made reasonable points, your clinging on to this one just makes you look daft.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The rule of 6 can be from any house hold, it is not restricted to 6 people from 2 house holds.

Now looking at the picture you have posted, which persons can you prove have broken any law? The people you can see at the back are all sat in little groups and entirely consistent with what I saw when on a walk yesterday. The people at the front, you have no idea what is going on.

Which people on that picture should be given a fine or subject criminal prosecution?

I've lost track of the rules tbh, is distancing still a thing (2m)?

 

[Chippy_boy]

I've lost track of the rules tbh, is distancing still a thing (2m)?

Yes.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

I stand corrected.

I wasn't there. I imagine if I was, it would have been rather easier to spot. But honestly I have no idea why you are trying to defend what is obviously indefensible with this "perhaps they were in groups of no more than 6" nonsense? OBVIOUSLY they aren't all following the rules so whereas you've made reasonable points, your clinging on to this one just makes you look daft.

You don't even know the rules yourself mate, yet you have got on your high horse. You are accusing people of breaking rules and jumping to conclusions. You can't prove anyone has done anything wrong, so how can you fine or prosecute them?

I am not defending anyone. I have more to lose than most with Covid as it would kill me. I have no immune system and would be in big trouble if I got it. But I have tried to be realistic and think a common sense approach would be far better than the approach you are advocating.

Look at the picture you have posted, there are hundreds of people there. If the police rushed in and started giving out fines and arresting people, it would cause more trouble. The police would be better served walking round, keeping order and reminding people of their responsibilities. If anyone got out of hand, then respond. It's common sense, it's Pro active and the vast majority would welcome such tactics.

It is physically impossible to prove any of those people in the picture have broken any laws. You can come to your own conclusions, but guessing will not wash in a court of law. You can't prosecute someone or give them a fine, just because you think, you have to prove it. Say the police went round every person in that crowd and issued every single one, an in the spot fine. What if every person refused to pay it and decided they would fight it in court? They then go to court and say we are not paying it as we were in a group of 6, this is our group of 6 and we did nothing wrong. It can not be proven otherwise. So you fill up the courts pointlessly and it costs ridiculous amounts of money.

I am not defending anyone, I am being realistic. You initial rant was way over the top and your proposals would cause far more problems than they would solve.