Wishy washy policing

Chippy_boy said:
Not sure where this rant belongs so I am starting a thread.

I am sick and tired of the wishy-washy claptrap coming out of the mouths of our senior police officers in the face of blatant and flagrant law-breaking. Every time we here phrases such as "We urge the public to act responsibly", "Ask people to follow the guidelines" or "We're impressed at how the public have worked with us during this pandemic". Urge? Ask? Worked with??? WTF are they talking about.

Like most of you I am sure, I am tired of the COVID-19 restrictions and the impact its had upon our daily lives. I yearn for a return to the pub, to meeting friends, to holiday, to footy games. But also like most of you, I have followed the rules because I understand its important, not just for my safety but so that I don't inadvertently and unknowingly infect and possibly kill someone else.

So it absolutely makes my blood boils when I see people who don't give a toss, just doing what they like and breaking the rules. Not only is this a 2-finger salute to the rest of us, it increases spread of infection, raises the risks of new variants, prolongs the duration of disruption to all of our lives. It is in short, cuntish behaviour.

The response to such cuntish behaviour should not be "We ask members of the public to act responsibly". It should be "We require", or "We instruct", "We mandate". And not "Follow guidelines" either. "Obey the law".

I'd like to see Chief Constables making it very clear that their forces REQUIRE people to OBEY THE LAW or face arrest and criminal prosecution. Not this "work with us" bollocks. For FAR too many people in this country, the law seems to be a loose set of guidelines to be followed or ignored as you wish, without any consequence. This has to change. Not just with respect to COVID, but generally. We've slumped to dismal level of lack of respect, lack of personal responsibility and we need to get back some semblence of common decency, so we are not leaving tons of litter in parks for example. We need to start spelling out the RULES clearly and start enforcing them more rigorously. No more of this "Have a word" and "educate" bullshit. We need arrests, fines and punishments. And many, many, many more of them. The twats need to begin to realise that the law is not an optional thing they can ignore with impunity.
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The Free Society.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
A lot of the problems in modern society stem from people not wanting to criticise.

No individual or organisation should be immune from criticism. That said, the police do a difficult and often thankless task, and people forget this. The from the best to the worst of society, coppers deal with them all. Some people though have the attitude that ALL Coppers are B*stard's, and it's simply not true.
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Absolutely.

We can all see that the police force is not perfect. You have bent coppers, vindictive coppers and coppers who overstep the mark. Some on that is inevitable with a body of 130,000 people. But even so, there may very well be too much of it.

But none of that changes Trevor's comments above. The police by-and-large do an outstanding job in very difficult circumstances. They went into the profession with the noblest of intentions and they get precious little reward, monetary or otherwise, for doing so.

Does that mean we should turn a blind eye to them breaking the law or acting improperly? No, it doesn't. But it does mean the starting point, unless we have evidence to the contrary, is an assumption that they are on our side doing their level best.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
I have been absolutely shit on by the police and the CPS. Had 3 years of my life stolen from me because of them. But the police are no different from anyone else, they are just a reflection of society. Some of them are absolutely superb and go way above what they are expected to do. Some of th are absolute scum bags.
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And that pretty much nails it for me
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
What to do though? Send the police in in small numbers and they will be ignored. In large numbers then most folk would disperse, but a minority would sit there with their 25 mates claiming to be in groups of 6 and arguing about their rights. Eventually the ones with a chip on their shoulder would kick of, the police would then respond with arrests/removals. 20 mins later you'd get the photo of the peaceful (illegal) gathering you posted above, contrasted with an image of the police dealing with the idiots. We'll then be told we are in a facist police state, the police are the private army of a tory govt, and if one of those arrested happens to not be white or a woman....well you know the rest. You then get the police demonised on social media and corresponding protests for days afterwards.
I suspect in this case the police decided to leave the silly cunts above to giving each other covid.
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Unfortunately, absolutely spot on. What a shame things have gone this way.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
You don't even know whether anyone has broken the law, you don't know the law and have jumped to conclusions.

It's easy to get on your high horse and chuck out soundbytes like lock them all up, or fine them. It is a whole different matter with coming up with a feasible plan to do it.

You used a picture to try and validate your opinion. I asked you to point out any person you could see in the picture who was actually doing anything wrong, you could not do that. I then asked how could the police realistically fine or prosecute everyone in the picture, you could not answer that.

Your solution to what you perceive is a problem is totally impractical and never going to happen.
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He’s not just talking about one picture. He’s talking about the array of cunts in general, across all sorts of things across society, seen - but not solely assigned to - the lockdowns. and the Police not just being polite about getting them to do the right thing.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Not sure where this rant belongs so I am starting a thread.

I am sick and tired of the wishy-washy claptrap coming out of the mouths of our senior police officers in the face of blatant and flagrant law-breaking. Every time we here phrases such as "We urge the public to act responsibly", "Ask people to follow the guidelines" or "We're impressed at how the public have worked with us during this pandemic". Urge? Ask? Worked with??? WTF are they talking about.

Like most of you I am sure, I am tired of the COVID-19 restrictions and the impact its had upon our daily lives. I yearn for a return to the pub, to meeting friends, to holiday, to footy games. But also like most of you, I have followed the rules because I understand its important, not just for my safety but so that I don't inadvertently and unknowingly infect and possibly kill someone else.

So it absolutely makes my blood boils when I see people who don't give a toss, just doing what they like and breaking the rules. Not only is this a 2-finger salute to the rest of us, it increases spread of infection, raises the risks of new variants, prolongs the duration of disruption to all of our lives. It is in short, cuntish behaviour.

The response to such cuntish behaviour should not be "We ask members of the public to act responsibly". It should be "We require", or "We instruct", "We mandate". And not "Follow guidelines" either. "Obey the law".

I'd like to see Chief Constables making it very clear that their forces REQUIRE people to OBEY THE LAW or face arrest and criminal prosecution. Not this "work with us" bollocks. For FAR too many people in this country, the law seems to be a loose set of guidelines to be followed or ignored as you wish, without any consequence. This has to change. Not just with respect to COVID, but generally. We've slumped to dismal level of lack of respect, lack of personal responsibility and we need to get back some semblence of common decency, so we are not leaving tons of litter in parks for example. We need to start spelling out the RULES clearly and start enforcing them more rigorously. No more of this "Have a word" and "educate" bullshit. We need arrests, fines and punishments. And many, many, many more of them. The twats need to begin to realise that the law is not an optional thing they can ignore with impunity.
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Amen brother
 
Labour Councillor Pat Karney about the disgusting mess at Castlefield.:
'We will not put up with this in our city.'
Good for you Councillor. You've backed the police. Let's hope they back your words.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
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“Little evidence” would mean there is some
“Did not really see any spikes” doesn’t mean it didn’t contribute to a slowing of a decline.

None of this shows that there were no cases and deaths off the back of all these gatherings. It simply shows there was no great hike in them.

But it’s beyond doubt there will have been a contribution towards cases and deaths. In fact it’s emphatically guaranteed that people will have caught this virus and died as a direct result of any or all of these gatherings.

One person dying as a result is as bad as a big spike. It’s still a death, it’s still affected a family. And it’ll be far far more than just one off the back of all these morons gathering all over the shop.

Shame on anyone who’s gathered in groups during this pandemic. Whether indoors or outdoors. You will have increased the likelihood of someone dying. Just think about that for a minute. It’s a life, it could be many lives. “There was no great spike”... so fucking what?! There will have been people that have died off the back of them!
And shame on anyone defending them!

They were also breaking the law.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
“Little evidence” would mean there is some
“Did not really see any spikes” doesn’t mean it didn’t contribute to a slowing of a decline.

None of this shows that there were no cases and deaths off the back of all these gatherings. It simply shows there was no great hike in them.

But it’s beyond doubt there will have been a contribution towards cases and deaths. In fact it’s emphatically guaranteed that people will have caught this virus and died as a direct result of any or all of these gatherings.

One person dying as a result is as bad as a big spike. It’s still a death, it’s still affected a family. And it’ll be far far more than just one off the back of all these morons gathering all over the shop.

Shame on anyone who’s gathered in groups during this pandemic. Whether indoors or outdoors. You will have increased the likelihood of someone dying. Just think about that for a minute. It’s a life, it could be many lives. “There was no great spike”... so fucking what?! There will have been people that have died off the back of them!
And shame on anyone defending them!

They were also breaking the law.
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All valid, but IMO somewhat irrelevant points (no offence intended!)

Laws are not "guidelines" which we should feel free to adhere to or ignore depending upon whether we agree with them or not. So IMO getting into any sort of debate about whether there is increased infection risk, or not, is distracting from the fundamental point that it is not allowed, full stop. Debating it, in a way, lends the argument some validity or credibility. It's not a debate we should be having.

Like many people on here, I have a decent car - a Merc - which is extremely comfortable and safe at high speeds. In Germany I could drive it over 100 mph without really thinking about it. I've never driven a car above 120 mph but I imagine that would be no big deal either.

I wonder what the police's reaction would be if I was stopped (in the UK) on a quiet motorway doing say 110 and my defence was, "well I think it's pretty safe". Whether it was safe or not, would not be up for debate: I'd be prosecuted (and convicted) in court and that's all there is to it.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
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The last thing I do is believe quotes of quotes of what interpretation they believe from twitter.

So I went to see what they actually said ; "outdoor is less risky but it's not completely risk free"

Good try though

They should go the fuck home, I don't really care what they're protesting when they're making lockdown last longer
 
Chippy_boy said:
All valid, but IMO somewhat irrelevant points (no offence intended!)

Laws are not "guidelines" which we should feel free to adhere to or ignore depending upon whether we agree with them or not. So IMO getting into any sort of debate about whether there is increased infection risk, or not, is distracting from the fundamental point that it is not allowed, full stop. Debating it, in a way, lends the argument some validity or credibility. It's not a debate we should be having.

Like many people on here, I have a decent car - a Merc - which is extremely comfortable and safe at high speeds. In Germany I could drive it over 100 mph without really thinking about it. I've never driven a car above 120 mph but I imagine that would be no big deal either.

I wonder what the police's reaction would be if I was stopped (in the UK) on a quiet motorway doing say 110 and my defence was, "well I think it's pretty safe". Whether it was safe or not, would not be up for debate: I'd be prosecuted (and convicted) in court and that's all there is to it.
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If you'd had done 120 and been caught then don't worry you'd have a fully functional justice system which will swiftly take you to the cleaners and ensure you never drive again for a period. It'll cost you potentially your livelihood for a year, you could even lose your job and your insurance will be sky high for a decade.

Turn upto a protest with COVID at a time when it's illegal to do so however and you'd be lucky to get arrested and your right to protest remains your guardian angel. Hell why not throw a few bricks or missiles, nowt will happen and you'll be defended to the death.

Just whatever you do, don't drop a DVD off at your mates on the way to the protest.

www.staffordshire-live.co.uk

£200 covid fine for man who dropped off DVD on daily walk

He said he was 'angry' when he received a fixed penalty notice in the post
www.staffordshire-live.co.uk www.staffordshire-live.co.uk
 
inbetween said:
If you'd had done 120 and been caught then don't worry you'd have a fully functional justice system which will swiftly take you to the cleaners and ensure you never drive again for a period. It'll cost you potentially your livelihood for a year, you could even lose your job and your insurance will be sky high for a decade.

Turn upto a protest with COVID at a time when it's illegal to do so however and you'd be lucky to get arrested and your right to protest remains your guardian angel. Hell why not throw a few bricks or missiles, nowt will happen and you'll be defended to the death.

Just whatever you do, don't drop a DVD off at your mates on the way to the protest.

www.staffordshire-live.co.uk

£200 covid fine for man who dropped off DVD on daily walk

He said he was 'angry' when he received a fixed penalty notice in the post
www.staffordshire-live.co.uk www.staffordshire-live.co.uk
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£200 fine for dropping off a DVD? Good to see the police not standing for any of that ‘wishy washy‘ nonsense.
 
I will generalise, people who want more law and order are generally people who are fearful, who makes them fearful, the right wing media makes them fearful with scare stories and then people want more law and order and the spiral continues.

If you are concerned about immigration and then read a media front page that says immigration is bringing crime into your area, you become anti immigration. You become fearful of immigrants.

If you are concerned about protestors having a negative affect on the economic well being of the community. Then read a media front page headline that says left wing anarchists are out to destroy the nation and you become anti-protestor and fearful of protestors.

If you are concerned about the spread of Covid then read a media headline about a load of kids in the park drinking cider and you will become anti kids in the park drinking cider and more fearful of covid.

Why does it suit the certain area's of the media to promote these headlines, it is because they want you to fearful, then because you are fearful, you will vote for he party that has traditionally been the party of law and order.

Who wants the party that has been the traditional party of law and order in power. The capitalist class.

It suits the capitalist class for you to be shit scared of your own shadow because if you are shit scared of your own shadow then you are ignoring their rape and pillage of the nations assets, the blatent tax dodging and all the fucking corruption.

Meanwhile the poor police get shit on from a great height as they are no longer the police force of the people they have become the police force of the capitalist class, making sure that normal people remain fearful.
 
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