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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%

  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%
  • Total voters
    2,063
aguero93:20 said:
It's an existing part of the rules and regulations of the PL and has been since formation (a formation that was government supported) that the clubs participating can't go outside the existing competition structure (including CL) so the PL at least would be well within their rights to expel all 6 clubs. Whether they've the stones to do so is a different matter.
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well if that’s the case what’s stops these six clubs staring a closed shop domestic league where they invite clubs who have a big following because that’s how these American owned will think they would of thought through every eventuality outcome!
 
I fundamentally dislike the whole idea but in my view this is just a natural iteration of the process started by the formation of the UCL and, if we’re being honest with ourselves, the real reason why as a club we’ve received such extraordinary financial investment over the past decade, both from the Sheikh and the likes of Silver Lake.

Being a realist, I accept that, even if I don’t particularly like it. But a bit of honesty from the club would be nice. Publishing a generic statement on the club website with a quote from the Glazers, but nothing from our own highly paid suite of executives, is just about the crassest thing I can remember from the club over a very long period of support.

I can imagine that none of the breakaway clubs will want to break cover for the next couple of days, but the statement posted today is I’m afraid very, very poor form from the club.
 
The thing I am going to miss the most is father and son time. No more travelling up chatting in the car for 5 or 6 hours. No more singing and hugging in the stadium. No more driving back or staying over and having a beer.
Yes I will see my son but probably with his missus or my missus being around. Not that I dont like that. But going to football with my sons was special as it was going with my dad. Sadly it's over.
 
I'm gutted. This feels both inevitable and shocking all at once. Inevitable because really it's just the natural conclusion of where football has been heading for quite some time, and shocking because it's still such a blow to see them go from virtually a closed shop to taking that step to make it an actual definitive closed shop.

I accept some people may not have a big issue with that, but for me that is the crux of the matter. I'm not naive. I know that for some clubs, especially the likes of Madrid and Barca they are almost assured of CL football every year and that football is an unfair competition. But, even with their huge advantage they still have to 'earn' their place if you will, and it makes the domestic league relevant. I still think people don't realise how much this could damage domestic leagues, particularly in England, with 6 'founding fathers' in there, including recent specialists in failure Arsenal, troughing away at the money in perpetuity. Christ on a bike.

Now, instead of a competition heavily weighted in favour of the cartel and history clubs it is no longer a sporting competition at all. There is a world of difference for me, the distinction is huge, though I can understand why some might not see it that way. In my mind no club should ever be guaranteed a place at the top table, regardless of who they are. For that reason, if this goes through, I'll be done with elite club football.

Edited to add: Originally I said I don't blame City for going along with it. However, having watched Ste's @twosips video and listening to Howard on the 93:20 pod I totally agree with them, the club are complicit.
Considering who the people in charge are and the time they spent investing in the club to make it one of the biggest in the world, they were never going to allow themselves to be shut out again. So I understand. But, as a football fan, I don't have to like it. I can't stand it. And I don't need to hang around for the dirty parade.

I'm actually quite lucky, I've been a Falkirk supporter my whole life. And I can assure you we are truly fucking horrific. But we are so far removed from this level of football I can watch them knowing this has no impact at all on the club. But I also fell in love with City because of what they represented to me. A team followed by genuine fans, sticking by their team in huge numbers despite going through a lot more shit than good stuff. Then out of the blue, winning the golden ticket and having the chance to rise up and give a giant "Fuck you!" to their detractors. Especially the rags. A club genuinely living the dream. Who couldn't love that? Evidently, quite a lot of people.
For you folks who have only known City and for whom the club is a part of who you are, yet absolutely despise this situation, I truly sympathise.
 
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OrigamiNinja said:
Correct re winners but the league isn't just about who wins it. The league is competitive because clubs fight tooth and nail to be part of it. To finish top 4 and get that CL spot.
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Going back 15 years, 58 of the last 59 English entries into the Champions League were from the super league clubs. Leicester are the only one since 2006 to break it up and that was 1 year.

Presumably if this does go through, Everton, Leicester etc will fight for a qualification spot because it'll mean stupid money for the club, and so the competitiveness will remain at the top end.

Really, what's changed? Big 6 go to Europe, same as ever. Mid-table scrap for an impossibly small chance of qualifying.

I suppose you could say this year is the exception - Everton, Leicester, West Ham all genuinely going for the top 4, but it took a once a century global pandemic to happen, so we can't pretend like it's going to be repeated.

IMO football has been in a crisis for 30 years and at least this has brought it to a head, and we might actually start discussing how we want the sport to be. Do we want 1992-2021 domination by an ever smaller group of clubs? Or do we want a revolving door of clubs rising and falling like post war-1991?

How far are we actually willing to go to make things more competitive, make the game a level playing field?
 
willipp said:
Well it sounds like PSG are ready to sign up based on some posts a while back, so it could be all 4 out.
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PSG can't be seen to be for it with Qatar 22 on the horizon and Bein Sports holding broadcast rights for the CL until 2024.
 
Money in the game has been allowed to get out of control for last few decades and this is what happens. They’re now businesses and not clubs. Fans don’t matter to them right now.

But only fans can make this fail.
 
I am absolutely disgusted that our club has signed up to this grubby, greedy, pathetic power grab league that is anything but "super". I've been supporting Manchester City for over forty years for what it's worth, (it does not seem to matter to clubs), been through five relegations, endured Alan Ball and Frank Clark's incompetence in those relegations and the mental pain of watching City when Stuart Pearce was managing our club, and this is the most angry and disappointed that I have felt about our club, joining with other clubs that have all conspired to stab our club in the back previously, yet we roll with these gangsters. Maybe naively I thought better of our club's owners who have done so much good work in the community. Maybe the club's owners felt like they had to do this to remain amongst the elite. That would not quell my feelings of revulsion and deep disappointment. I'm hoping that somehow Football governing bodies, governments and players can stop this power and cash grab, but I expect they will all be bought off too.

Football should always, be about competition and merit. I hate relegation but keeping away from it is part of football. A League without relegation is not a league. It's a franchise. There's no jeopardy. It kills the dream of fans of other clubs who will be damaged financially by this. It's boring, worthless spiritually and there's a note of caution. How long before those conniving, back stabbing clubs go for City again? They've done it before repeatedly over several years, and there's a good chance that they will do it again.

Who is really interested in a dull regular midweek diet of Inter, Arsenal and Real Madrid, year in year out? Have they no concept of less is more. Again its a case of people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

This greed league is bad for Football and it is bad for City. I'm sure you have figured out by now that as someone who loves Manchester City and Football, I am disgusted, appalled and totally against it.
 
does anybody know what roles the manchester city board have been offer on the super league council ?
i heard the united board have already walk away from uefa board and step down last night. so a top of the table job for them on the super league council ? manchester city must have been offered a major role on the board
 
Gremlin said:
Let's join the dots on this:
  • 'underwritten' by JP Morgan (not 'financed')
  • JP Morgan is a US investment bank
  • the model is very similar to US sports franchises
  • JP Morgan are obviously expecting to make a profit on this by selling the rights around the World (and, let's not misunderstand, the market for this is the world, not England or Europe) and they are no mugs
  • It is almost certainly driven by the US owned clubs
So, faced with this, City have two choices - get involved or not. We can sit outside and take the moral high ground but if it actually happened and was successful (bith big 'ifs' I grant you) then our business would take a big, big hit. And let's not forget, we've all been shouting from the rooftops that the purchase of City in 2008 was a business investment and the aim is for HHSM to make a big profit in the long run by turning it into a global sports business. Taking a big hit is not part of the plan. And for those who say 'being banned from the PL etc. gives a bigger hit', that may be true (I'm sure someone is crunching the numbers as we speak) but, if so, then clearly the ESL won't happen - but it depends who blinks first (the PL would be a lame duck without the top 6 as well so it's a lose/lose situation).

So, whilst it may leave a sour taste in the mouth, I can understand entirely why the board have thrown their lot in with the ESL idea.
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No big ifs on will it work - imo it would (whether we like it or not) Every club has millions of followers worldwide. And as you say, this isnt about marketing it to just local fan bases now - its global
 
HelloCity said:
This league will grow and grow until they all resign from the PL. It’ll end up being the only league they play in and it’ll have its own knock out cup etc.
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I guess that is probably the ultimate aim. If the clubs are kicked out of their national leagues, then it will most likely be brought forward.
 
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