The Super League | FA + PL: New Charter & Fines | UEFA: Settlement

[Gazza]

The Premier League (PL) is a very unique product, OK there are the same big clubs towards the top usually but teams like Leicester, West Ham, Everton, Villa and others can also beat anyone, look at Leeds last week for example, a league that the other major leagues are jealous of. If this proposal goes through, it'll be the end of the 'magic' of the PL which will never come back, even if the Super League hopefully fails.
We are scuppering a very successful sporting model for a few unscrupulous club chairmen that are in it only for the money.

 

[aguero93:20]

well if that’s the case what’s stops these six clubs staring a closed shop domestic league where they invite clubs who have a big following because that’s how these American owned will think they would of thought through every eventuality outcome!

Government intervention or mass fan non-participation would be the only thing to stop it.

 

[CatMan]

How about a fucking cup not a bloody cheque!

 

[shemnel]

I actually want the whole of football to crash and burn in order to come up with a way in which European participation doesn't totally fuck financial parity in domestic leagues and we have genuine competition again. But it seems like a pipe dream at this point and if football is to be broken then I'd prefer it to be broken in our favour rather than us being stood on the outside.

This happens with or without us so we can take a moral but ultimately fruitless stand and get left behind or we can go along with it and maintain ourselves as one of the world's major clubs. Once they set the wheels in motion there wasn't too much of a decision for us to make in my opinion.

Again though, there's lots of details that are unclear and I'd like to see their detailed proposals before jumping on the bandwagon. But I'm not totally against it as a proposal as some are.

again correct. For BM forumites and a %age of City fans - you can make a stand and fuck the games off, as i will, but we will be meaningless and forgotten in the new business growth model.

i've always been one of those hypocritical fans who railed against the Prem, against UEFA, against modern football, commercialism, possible super leagues, the price of tickets, 4 streaming platforms, the CFG and so on and so on. And there i was on a Sunday disucssing the latest PL game and watching dutifully on a Tuesday night at 8pm. No more, i cant be that 'fan' anymore, i must make a personal stand, even though as you say it means nothing to the game itself.

 

[Cityzen_89]

I have so many questions.

 

[Keeper!]

One thing for certain, we have blown the title without kicking a ball, I would expect a big points deduction for all involved.

 

[Bill Walker]

I'm not as against this as everybody else. I'm not entirely convinced by it but I don't think it's a disgusting outrage either.

Firstly let's get real for a moment. Football has been broken since the 1990s. People talk like we're in the 1960s where all the clubs could have a similar chance of competition. We aren't and we haven't been for decades. A Leicester could happen once but the idea that you can build a sustainable challenger to the league using your academy, good management and transfer guile is farcical. United saw to that many years ago - to compete you need a billionaire to invest in you. That's the broken part, by the way. That you need that to begin with. The English game has been financially lopsided and killed competition 20 years ago.

So the competitive morality out of the way, we look at other things such as what will happen to poor Stoke and Burnley? Nothing, presumably. More to the point, I give as much of a fuck for their future as they did for us when we were going bankrupt. My emotions are tied to Man City and whats best for them.

The Super League is what's best for City. As a founding member, we're now one of the big boys forever. If there's a revolution in the UAE tomorrow and Shiekh Mansour/his family is deposed and he's forced to sell the club then its no problem. We're in the tent pissing out, permanently. The fact that we get to fuck UEFA on the way past is icing on the cake.

My only actual concern here is for the fans. It sounds like potentially 18 European away games to the final and you just know that the Final is more likely to be in Beijing than Birmingham. Affordability is going to be a significant issue and it's the only thing that's making me doubt it. If the club did something like a European equivalent of subsidised coaches then I'd be happier with it.

But yeah. It guarantees our post UAE future, it establishes us as one of the world's biggest clubs, it fucks UEFA, it will be the competition all the biggest players want to play in, it will earn us fucking bank, what's not to like?

I feel just like you Damo.
I just don't see why swapping the bent bastards at UEFA (who tried to ban us) for a super league is so bad.
And why does it make Khaldoon a **** as previous posters have called him?

 

[wolviedinho]

Old City v New City ——> Change is inevitable.

Sad & disgusted that we have joined the cabal but it won’t change the love I have for the club. It will be a hard fought moral dilemma for a lot of fans.

 

[Resurrection Joe...]

lets face it....its been coming. This league is designed to capture the 12-25 year old punters...who play computer game football...the older heads have never really embraced the modern 'match day experience'..and will be gone in a few years anyway. European TV armchair matches....which eventually will feature players on single season contracts who will baselesly hop around the founding father clubs for ridiculous money. They wont need international nation based competitions..the concept of playing for your birth country has been gradually erroded to this point.
I also see the incorporation of final day 'all star' matches between two teams comprised of the best performers...
Eventually a touring team of Harlem globetrotter style veterans will emerge..
I say...fair enough...fk em all. Back to gigg lane for me....oh ...

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Having actively supported City for more than 60 years I regret to have say that today I am embarrassed and ashamed of what my beloved club has become.
I want no part of this SL and the jury is out as to whether I'll be renewing my seasoncard. Words I never, ever thought I'd be saying.

Can I respectfully ask were you embarrassed when we were taken over, went onto spend huge sums of money to give us the decade of success we are currently enjoying? Overtaking other clubs in the process?

 

[Gray]

But I also fell in love with City because of what they represented to me. A team followed by genuine fans, sticking by their team in huge numbers despite going through a lot more shit than good stuff. Then out of the blue, winning the golden ticket and having the chance to rise up and give a giant "Fuck you!" to their detractors. Especially the rags. A club genuinely living the dream. Who couldn't love that? Evidently, quite a lot of people.
For you folks who have only known City and for whom the club is a part of who you are, yet absolutely despise this situation, I truly sympathise.

I suspect that remark, about sticking by the team in huge numbers, will be sorely tested if this scheme goes ahead.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

When do Maine Road FC next play?

 

[Decepticon]

so 350m to join and 400m if you win the fucker!

 

[aguero93:20]

Seen the suggestion that by leaving the ECA, we are ineligible for the Champions League? Does that mean PSG have won it then?

Doubt it, we weren't ECA members when we first qualified. The ECA is just an advisory body really, we're still FA members and therefore UEFA members.

 

[ancoats]

spot on

only a fool would not say yes ? if all the other big clubs are leaving and will be printing there own money
you can bet the players will be wanting the biggest slice of the pie too

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The hysteria is getting comical. Why doesn't someone go and set themselves on fire outside the Etihad or something just to really make their point.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

The pandemic has made me realise that as a 30 yr season tkt holder, apart from the arguing, banter and humour in here, I won't miss it at all.

 

[fareastblue]

After winning the PL Everton, Villa and West Ham will want in together with Bilbao, Napoli and Sevilla. The second division will be created so on and so forth.

 

[doobyedoobye]

Going back 15 years, 58 of the last 59 English entries into the Champions League were from the super league clubs. Leicester are the only one since 2006 to break it up and that was 1 year.

Presumably if this does go through, Everton, Leicester etc will fight for a qualification spot because it'll mean stupid money for the club, and so the competitiveness will remain at the top end.

Really, what's changed? Big 6 go to Europe, same as ever. Mid-table scrap for an impossibly small chance of qualifying.

I suppose you could say this year is the exception - Everton, Leicester, West Ham all genuinely going for the top 4, but it took a once a century global pandemic to happen, so we can't pretend like it's going to be repeated.

IMO football has been in a crisis for 30 years and at least this has brought it to a head, and we might actually start discussing how we want the sport to be. Do we want 1992-2021 domination by an ever smaller group of clubs? Or do we want a revolving door of clubs rising and falling like post war-1991?

How far are we actually willing to go to make things more competitive, make the game a level playing field?

But the decision to change formats should not be in the hands exclusively of some of the competitors who happen to be the richest

 

[Joekmcfc]

The huge issue is even with the premier league alongside this proposed super league is that the founding clubs will always be there no relegation? Arsenal? Spurs? Just this alone is an absolute joke, what have these two clubs done in the last 5-6 years to
Merit that? If there was fair relegation and promotion I wouldn’t be against that so much as it would seem it’s a direct replacement, but we all no it’s not and the manner of which it was set up is pure desperation from the old guard. Barcelona get away with a billion pounds of debt? Madrid just as they are starting to look like a prehistoric club? Both given money to clear debts each and restore power. Pretty sickening we’ve joined these clubs, only feeling is the pressure was felt and letting these old self righteous clubs accumulate wealth over us
Was not an option. We should have stood firm, absolutely gutted.