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[supercity88]

Since you asked...

we are a self sustaining club now and have been for ages - as a business you simply cannot sit back and watch your competitors get a massive boost and advantage over you... if another 6 clubs got super rich over night then we would have become “the best of the rest” and our owners could not and would not allow that...
Put it this way... Mike Ashley or ADUG?

And that is why we signed up to it, although from what I have read we were reluctant. But they still cocked up. They should have put the value of competition higher than the desire for money.

We have spent 13 years trying to catch up with UEFA rules and clearly there was a fear we would then be cast aside again.

But it is a real shame we jumped into bed with everything we hate. The club should have put out a more personal statement. Clearly there is still a desire to join something new and we are not willing to rock the boat too much in case it puts us out of it.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Since you asked...

we are a self sustaining club now and have been for ages - as a business you simply cannot sit back and watch your competitors get a massive boost and advantage over you... if another 6 clubs got super rich over night then we would have become “the best of the rest” and our owners could not and would not allow that...
Put it this way... Mike Ashley or ADUG?

so what your saying is our owners value money over the club and it’s fans?

we had a choice. We were not forced at gun point to do this. Somehow we miraculously decided not to be a part of it 24 hours later. Doesn’t exactly sound like we had to be in it

 

[Blue Coop]

Anybody who thinks we’ve played a blinder in all of this is just trying to paper over the poor lack of judgement by the club IMO - in hindsight, imagine we were sat here today and it was 11 clubs instead of 12 because City had refused to join. It would have been the biggest step forward in the press for our ownership since it happened in 2008. The club made a big mistake, it’s been rectified, but we are in the same boat as the other 5 PL clubs on this one.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

But didn't they want to join the Superleague?

Is it too early for me or am I being Clarkied?

Yes they did, and I was not going to go down the road of throwing flares at the stadium and sticking the middle finger up at the badge, or ironically placing a banner that says RIP MCFC, or coming on here and announcing my desolved support for the club, looking for new clubs and acting as though the last ten years - bought and paid for by our owner - didn't exist. The same owner who chose to place the club in a new competition. So regardless of what my personal opinions were of the competition, the morals behind it (lol), or anything else, I wasn't going to do anything other than back the club.

 

[burning blue soul]

Sounds to me like the vast majority of this forum is "on side" with City pulling out of the idea.

No doubt the vast majority of non blues will be too.

Wtf are you waffling about?

Being on side with the club withdrawing from this shocking ESL is not the same as forgetting what they did, or willing to defend it.
There is a gaping chasm of difference.

 

[give it to gordon]

It was absolutely unacceptable to use a boilerplate press release, with a quote from Joel Glazer, on our website when there was no quote from our own club.

Or City were clear by just posting Glazer quote showing the world which clubs are behind this !

 

[city saint]

You know that throwing the name of a well know wank cheapskate owner doesn't validate your arguement as it isn't relevant at all.


I will ask you this, if we had not joined it went ahead and we carried on in a prem minuss the other 5 with less prize money but still both domestic cups and a restyled european cup with.this leadimg to us not havimg the best players and automatically winnimg everything would you still be going to games?

I certainly would have, I wouldn't have gine to the ESL shit though even if we had the best players in the world on offer.

Give me random teams drawn in cups, give me the.threat of relegation only.to be clsaved on the last day (or not) give me a promotion push and rendom europen games.

Don't offer me stale exhibition football against the same boring teams amd entitled fanbases where it doesnt matter where you finish or if you win owt.

The club made an error in judgement and there is nothing wrong with telling them that, as grateful as I am for the last 12 years, no owner is beyond criticism.

they totally lost themselves and forgot the fans which was a massive(i know) mistake,people in buisness fuck up all the time and some become entrenched in their shit decisions because the wont admit they fucked up.at least we have rectified the fuck up but now they need to build bridges and romance us again.

 

[lcfc_chump]

We generally get very negative media coverage as a club. We've probably had more positive stories about us since we pulled out, than we had in the previous couple of years!

You have had some, but its mainly jealousy driven and uniformly without merit nor substance. I am also sure its very intensified from the inside of the club (All coverage for fans clubs is felt keenly by fans)

Despite being a historic club you were clearly felt to be an outsider by 'Them Proper Clubs' but you muscled in and are now part of establishment (junior member ;) )

This formation of this ESL nonsense began the year after we (Leicester) won the league (Reported by The Times) so you may feel victimised, but your are not wholly unwelcome unlike clubs such as Leicester.

 

[Cheesy]

Yes they did, and I was not going to go down the road of throwing flares at the stadium and sticking the middle finger up at the badge, or ironically placing a banner that says RIP MCFC, or coming on here and announcing my desolved support for the club, looking for new clubs and acting as though the last ten years - bought and paid for by our owner - didn't exist. The same owner who chose to place the club in a new competition. So regardless of what my personal opinions were of the competition, the morals behind it (lol), or anything else, I wasn't going to do anything other than back the club.

And you were willing to do so even though the idea of the ESL was detremental to pretty much every other club except those involved in it.

At least you're honest about not giving a shit about football as a whole.

 

[Bandofblues]

Couple of points:

1) This reversal is going to shatter the finance plans of several of the clubs, those struggling to make the CL year on year in particular.Their get out of jail free card has gone. Not sure how badly it will affect City given our relative success in recent years.

2) The 2024 CL changes will be under the microscope next. UEFA can hardly lambast the SL founders for ruining football by introducing a closed shop and then expect to carry on with their own plans for the same. Fan and media opposition needs to be brought out to address CL issues as well.

3) The power of the cartel clubs with UEFA is surely weakened drastically now. They've threatened a breakaway for many years and now their plans/bluff has been comprehensively shattered. UEFA itself should now be stronger in it's own right and able to do the right thing itself. Whether they will or not remains to be seen but the recent events should also act as a shot across the bows of UEFA to ensure the sporting integrity of its competitions.

4) The Cnuts who dreamt up the SL need outing by the media. All of the SL clubs are implying they were 'invited' but the concept of the SL didn't appear out of thin air, fingers were in the pie from the very start for some of these clubs and they need publicly naming and shaming.


Can now look forward to watching City again knowing that the rest of the season still has meaning.

 

[Burtonblue]

Do you think we'll get neutral ref next week against PSG

Steady on mate!
Things aren’t going to change overnight.

 

[blue for life]

Have UEFA released a statement about the other clubs yet like they did about us?

 

[mancityvstoke]

So are we still booing UEFA then?

I am

 

[Rammy Blue]

You know that throwing the name of a well know wank cheapskate owner doesn't validate your arguement as it isn't relevant at all.


I will ask you this, if we had not joined it went ahead and we carried on in a prem minuss the other 5 with less prize money but still both domestic cups and a restyled european cup with.this leadimg to us not havimg the best players and automatically winnimg everything would you still be going to games?

I certainly would have, I wouldn't have gine to the ESL shit though even if we had the best players in the world on offer.

Give me random teams drawn in cups, give me the.threat of relegation only.to be clsaved on the last day (or not) give me a promotion push and rendom europen games.

Don't offer me stale exhibition football against the same boring teams amd entitled fanbases where it doesnt matter where you finish or if you win owt.

The club made an error in judgement and there is nothing wrong with telling them that, as grateful as I am for the last 12 years, no owner is beyond criticism.

Let the dust settle, I’m sure we will get a proper statement & apology soon enough.

 

[Steve68]

Mad isn't it?

We hate those clubs for what they stand for and what they've done in this instance.

But for some of our fans City acting in exactly the same way is OK because we were forced to do it.

The idea that we were ‘forced’ is absurd. We chose to go along with it. We could and should have said, ‘No, and further more we will fight you on it.’

Or - ‘No until you set up two divisions with promotion and relegation.’

No one can bully a Sovereign Wealth Fund and a leader of a rich oil state with all the lawyers in the world and a ruthless Secret Police to boot.

We weren’t forced, We chose and we chose so badly, apologies and maybe resignations are probably in order. Mistakes and misjudgements of this magnitude should have consequences at all the clubs involved.

 

[chris8910]

I've sat back on this over last 48 hours and I think I'm just about breathing normally. I am just waiting on Peps news conference ahead of the match tomorrow as I think a lot will come from his reaction, so I'm waiting and seeing.
A part of me hopes and prays that we have signed up to this thing only to in the end fuck these guys over. The inside man phrase springs to mind.
These other bastards have manipulated UEFA for years to screw us and that's been evident with the UEFAs presidents comments calling them all snakes. I predict we will be the first to withdraw and we will stab these fuckers right in the back.
I read somewhere that we were the last to sign up too so I do think we will be the first to go. So my reaction at this moment is just watching it all unfold day by day until all major meetings have been had with all relevant bodies and governing bodies.
I'm not walking away from the club that my whole family has supported their whole lives over an announcement which happened 48 hours ago! There's still too much to happen yet and everything at the minute is just reaction, which I get I've been through the same as every fan, before I get criticism.
As I've stated earlier the next biggest step in this is Pep's interview. If he is as honest a man as he has always come across then he will answer questions about this new proposal. If the club don't allow any questions and he doesn't answer then we know and I know where the club lies with it and I may well be considering my first ever protest along with I'm sure tens if not hundreds of thousands of fans up and down the country.

I just want to bump my original post from yesterday morning and bold my prediction. A part of me, which I have kept deep down thinks that we signed up because we had no other choice (a loose, loose) but the truth is will anybody ever know and I can sleep easy knowing this. Am I pissed off that this has happened in the first place? Yes! Do I feel we should have signed up with them? No!
Mud will be thrown from pillar to post and guess what, at some point when it has all settled the finger will eventually come back on us and Chelsea with the whole new money and if it wasn't for these clubs blah blah blah bollocks.
But the beauty of all of this is that at this moment in time, the fans, players, managers, pundits, media have all turned on their beloved owners and it is fan fucking tastic.
Where does this now leave these do called remaining elite 4 in England now? They don't have a business model that works and they need the extra investment and revenue which from this new league, has proved.
Can united fans forgive the Glazers again? What will happen to at the wheel Ole? not a lot probably because he's a yes man. The players, there's a lot of "influencers" with "values" there.
Liverpool - Klopp: as much I dislike the man he very much a man of the fans, will he leave at the end of the season? 50/50 in my opinion. Players like Sir Henderson has already committed to rounding the troops, no going back from that now, its out there. James 'Let's run my contract down and sign a massive bonus (greedy bastard cough hypocrite cough)' Milner has already come out publicly. Yanks won't like this. Yesterday it was already out the owners had cancelled meetings, stopped anything to do with the new league etc, more will follow from this I'm sure.
Arsenal - Haven't heard much from them and to be honest they are that irrelevant as a club it's a joke they were in it.
Spurs - Can't even be bothered. Other than they are a yes club and that they just follow suit and want to join in, all they have is the NFL links. So I'm not interested at all unless they are looking for a buyer.
It's going to be a pretty interesting remaining 3 days to the week. In particular with the media and how they portray it. Let's not forget who their allegiances lie with here and who they cater for the masses with.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

You really have to ask how our 'well run' club™ thought that joining this complete pile of shite that collapsed within 48 hours was a great idea.

And please, don't tell me that we were forced into it as we are owned by an immensely powerful and unbelievably wealthy player on the global stage that could buy and sell every other **** involved.

We need more info before this can be answered, namely;

1. what was the time frame from proposal to decision requirement? for something of this magnitude (seismic) you would have accountant and an army of lawyers locked in a room for a month.

i heard 1 week! I suspect we had a lot less time to review this than the hardcore cartel who must have had meetings before about format, timing, strategy etc

2. Who made the decision? Did Kaldoon and Mansour just go on ,best advice from Tixi and co.?

if 1 week, there would have to be a lot of delegation of decision making


Either way it was the wrong bloody decision we made and we will take a kicking somewhere down the line,

I’m just hoping the last 48 hours has provided our owners with a vivid photograph about how we feel so am hopeful it’s been a steep sharp learning exercise for all - they don’t make many mistakes and they don’t look the type to make the same mistake twice!

 

[give it to gordon]

The more I think about it the more I think that we have played a blinder..

Whatever everyone thinks of our owners, one thing they are not is stupid..

In one stroke we have removed most if not all of the twats from UEFA who regularly wanted to royally shaft us..

We've then destabilised all the American owned clubs in one go, resignations left, right and centre incoming..

Sure we're going to cop for some shit ourselves but we were last in and first out and completely cleared the decks for us going forward..

You can't make an omlette without cracking a few eggs..!

Take our medicine and move on..

In the meantime, the rags, dippers, tarquins and spuds are financially fucked big time..!

Was think along the same lines.
City have a acted in my opinion out of character.
Being last in than first out, leaving the American clubs the ones that have tied to screw us over the last 10 years, in turmoil

Their big money get out of jail ESL is gone. Their fans have turned on them. Everyone with a brain can now see the danger these American owners are to our game.

I wonder if City and UEFA were in this together, both statements released within minutes of each other.

Our chairman had always said if you read between the lines that City would get even with the clubs that hate City

Perhaps I have my blue rose tinted glass on but i need an eye test !

 

[kippaxwarrior]

The inquest into who had the most influence in the super league has been opened and closed

 

[lancs blue]

Anybody who thinks we’ve played a blinder in all of this is just trying to paper over the poor lack of judgement by the club IMO

The key point for me will be whether any of our senior execs get the bullet over this. If they don't I'll draw my own conclusion from that, in conjunction with Ceferin's fulsome statement about our withdrawal. In the meantime, take the win - we're out and the US-owned clubs have got smelly rotten eggs all over their faces.