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Wasn't even the best goal.in the game
Oddly , a rag ex of mine , who’d only ever been treated to the Ricky Villa goal (surprise surprise) years later finally saw ALL the goals from that final, she was gobsmacked and actually turned to me puzzled and said “hang on a minute, THAT goal was in the same game ? how come I’ve never seen it before , it’s easily the best goal of the game”.
 
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I've just finished reading this. Ingham explains in simple terms how modern media organisations journalists (including the BBC) are lazy cunts with too much money using soundbites to increase clicks rather than facts to increase revenue.

He names a few people who he believes should be better than they are.
I cannot see the text to which you refer.
 
Not sure what your problem is with that? Aren’t JP Morgan propping us up financially with our £750million debt?

Or is that the club I supported before I supported Chelsea? Difficult to keep track not being a legacy fan
I think JP Morgan is summat to do with Willie Morgan. I can't remember what position he played at The Swamp but . . . . . .!
 
You have to remember that by constantly fielding strong teams, winning at Wembley and disrespecting those competitions by scoring more than one goal we have destroyed the media's love of watching the red tops parading those trophies.You can be certain that if a City player scores the greatest winning goal ever in a final that Spurs fans will not be reminded constantly about it for the rest of their lives.
Not a winner but Yaya's equaliser is still the best goal in a Wembley Cup final, since the stadium was rebuilt - and possibly ever.
Seconds after he scored it, Sky were at pains to insist that "he didn't really mean it".
The player himself said he did - but what would he know about it, compared to Neville and Redknapp?
 
Not a winner but Yaya's equaliser is still the best goal in a Wembley Cup final, since the stadium was rebuilt - and possibly ever.
Seconds after he scored it, Sky were at pains to insist that "he didn't really mean it".
The player himself said he did - but what would he know about it, compared to Neville and Redknapp?
I thought Nasri's was pretty special too.
 
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I've just finished reading this. Ingham explains in simple terms how modern media organisations journalists (including the BBC) are lazy cunts with too much money using soundbites to increase clicks rather than facts to increase revenue.

He names a few people who he believes should be better than they are.
Is it worth buying or does it just come down to 'using soundbites to increase clicks rather than facts to increase revenue'? (which we should all be aware of nowadays)
 
Not a winner but Yaya's equaliser is still the best goal in a Wembley Cup final, since the stadium was rebuilt - and possibly ever.
Seconds after he scored it, Sky were at pains to insist that "he didn't really mean it".
The player himself said he did - but what would he know about it, compared to Neville and Redknapp?

I thought Nasri's was pretty special too.
I was in the stand behind the goals about 15 rows up. Yaya's goal was amazing. It thought it had just gone over. Everyone had just settled down a bit then Nasri scored. More carnage.

Yayas goal is one of my all time favourite City goals.
 
I thought Nasri's was pretty special too.
Loved how Nasri's rolled round the inside of the netting. Showed that day what he could be capable of. Pity he didnt he have the attitude to match his talent. Also enjoyed Navas's goal that day as had a tenner on 3-1.
 
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The Guardian is determined to tar everyone with the same brush for this ESL fiasco and they've got "fans" to proclaim sentence on each of their clubs...

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-discuss-englands-big-six-after-the-esl-farce

For City they have Llyod Scragg...

Manchester City

I’m so glad it collapsed, and in the way it did. Out of pure greed and an obsession with self-preservation, these six clubs were willing to destroy the fabric of our game, shunning a tradition of merit-based competitive sport to join a closed-shop league, marooning the other 86 professional clubs. I’m disappointed in City; I don’t think I could have continued supporting them if this had gone ahead.

Any positives? This has to be a watershed moment. I want our clubs protected as institutions of local cultural importance, to ensure they can’t be divorced from their communities and join an NFL-style franchise system. That could mean issuing a golden share to allow fans to veto decisions, or creating a new legislative “wrapper” around each club, akin to what already exists for national parks and listed buildings.

Should they be punished? In theory, yes. But practically, I’m not sure how. A points deduction from next season possibly?


Lloyd Scragg @lloyd_scragg NinetyThreeTwenty.com

Lloyd is, of course, entitled to his opinion, but as a bellwether for City fans? I think not.

Lloyd writes occasional bits for the Guardian it says on his Twitter bio. A City fan writing for the Guardian?! I'll go to the foot of our stairs! What a fucking great job he must be doing! Plain to see they don't come more "City til I die" than Lloyd!

Clearly, when Lloyd pontificates, we're not hearing from the organ grinder, we're hearing from the monkey.

This is how these things always unravel. Genuine outrage hijacked for a dozen different agendas, with go to rentagobs, masquerading as the authentic voice of something or other, only too willing to oblige with compliant soundbites for a fee or a plug.

I gather Lloyd has form, always willing to do a bit of hand wringing angst for the Guardian's fair and balanced City coverage.
 
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The Guardian is determined to tar everyone with the same brush for this ESL fiasco and they've got "fans" to proclaim sentence on each of their clubs...

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-discuss-englands-big-six-after-the-esl-farce

For City they have Llyod Scragg...

Manchester City

I’m so glad it collapsed, and in the way it did. Out of pure greed and an obsession with self-preservation, these six clubs were willing to destroy the fabric of our game, shunning a tradition of merit-based competitive sport to join a closed-shop league, marooning the other 86 professional clubs. I’m disappointed in City; I don’t think I could have continued supporting them if this had gone ahead.

Any positives? This has to be a watershed moment. I want our clubs protected as institutions of local cultural importance, to ensure they can’t be divorced from their communities and join an NFL-style franchise system. That could mean issuing a golden share to allow fans to veto decisions, or creating a new legislative “wrapper” around each club, akin to what already exists for national parks and listed buildings.

Should they be punished? In theory, yes. But practically, I’m not sure how. A points deduction from next season possibly?


Lloyd Scragg @lloyd_scragg NinetyThreeTwenty.com

Lloyd is, of course, entitled to his opinion, but as a bellwether for City fans? I think not.

Lloyd writes occasional bits for the Guardian it says on his Twitter bio, so no bias there.

This is how these things always unravel. Genuine outrage hijacked for a dozen different agendas, with go to rentagobs always willing to oblige with compliant soundbites for a fee or a plug.

I gather Lloyd has form, always willing to do a bit of hand wringing angst for the Guardian's fair and balanced City coverage.
They'll simply interview multiple fans until they get the narrative they want regardless. Then they'll push it as 'the fans have spoken'.
 
The Guardian is determined to tar everyone with the same brush for this ESL fiasco and they've got "fans" to proclaim sentence on each of their clubs...

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-discuss-englands-big-six-after-the-esl-farce

For City they have Llyod Scragg...

Manchester City

I’m so glad it collapsed, and in the way it did. Out of pure greed and an obsession with self-preservation, these six clubs were willing to destroy the fabric of our game, shunning a tradition of merit-based competitive sport to join a closed-shop league, marooning the other 86 professional clubs. I’m disappointed in City; I don’t think I could have continued supporting them if this had gone ahead.

Any positives? This has to be a watershed moment. I want our clubs protected as institutions of local cultural importance, to ensure they can’t be divorced from their communities and join an NFL-style franchise system. That could mean issuing a golden share to allow fans to veto decisions, or creating a new legislative “wrapper” around each club, akin to what already exists for national parks and listed buildings.

Should they be punished? In theory, yes. But practically, I’m not sure how. A points deduction from next season possibly?


Lloyd Scragg @lloyd_scragg NinetyThreeTwenty.com

Lloyd is, of course, entitled to his opinion, but as a bellwether for City fans? I think not.

Lloyd writes occasional bits for the Guardian it says on his Twitter bio, so no bias there.

This is how these things always unravel. Genuine outrage hijacked for a dozen different agendas, with go to rentagobs, masquerading as the authentic voice of something or other, only too willing to oblige with compliant soundbites for a fee or a plug.

I gather Lloyd has form, always willing to do a bit of hand wringing angst for the Guardian's fair and balanced City coverage.
i, for one, agree with Scraggy.

the media have to speak to somebody about it. if they had asked me i would have said pretty much the same thing.
 
i, for one, agree with Scraggy.

the media have to speak to somebody about it. if they had asked me i would have said pretty much the same thing.

Everyone can have an opinion, and it doesn't have to be informed to be a bellwether, But to be a bellwether it has to be widely shared among the constituency it is supposedly giving voice, and Lloyd is not doing that.

No one could read what Lloyd wrote and hand on heart say that was the "authentic" voice of City fans. Why is it that crowds are not gathering in numbers outside the Etihad? Or Stamford Bridge? Why last in first out? What about the "Hateful Eight" backdrop, the CAS judgement? What about the massive investment in East Manchester?

These events are nuanced, even this Super League fiasco. But those with their own agenda, like Lloyd, only deal in nuance when it suits them, so he towed the greed line and hit it with a hammer for a nod and a wink.

In the end Lloyd's opinion is worthless, not because I don't recognise its authenticity, or lack of nuance or because it differs from my own, it's worthless because of his association with the Guardian. Cruel I know, but I don't take advice on sobriety from alcoholics, similarly I don't look to anyone from the Guardian for a fair and balanced view on City.

And I have to say, by that bellwether, Lloyd did not disappoint.
 
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