Erling Haaland

[Deleted member 87819]

The bundesliga isn't the premier league, just ask Werner!

Werner isn’t Haaland and Werner has already done a lot for Chelsea since Tuchel arrived and will probably explode next season. He was a smart signing, no surprise since Pep also wanted him last summer
But Haaland is by far a better goalscorer and his experience against top European teams in the UCL show he is more than ready to leave Germany
And Pep likes this exact situation: to work with young talented players who he can make even better as stars and team players. You won’t find a better match

 

[Legal Alien]

Werner isn’t Haaland and Werner has already done a lot for Chelsea since Tuchel arrived and will probably explode next season. He was a smart signing, no surprise since Pep also wanted him last summer
But Haaland is by far a better goalscorer and his experience against top European teams in the UCL show he is more than ready to leave Germany
And Pep likes this exact situation: to work with young talented players who he can make even better as stars and team players. You won’t find a better match

I don't disagree with you and don't get me wrong, i would luv Haaland.

As for Werner, he scored for fun for Leipzig, but has found it a lot tougher here.

But my point is that's a helluva lot of money for anyone, let alone a young lad, and i don't see us spending anywhere near the figures mentioned.
If we did though, i'd expect what's written on the box and there are very few players who can really deliver that and i don't think he's one of them, yet!

 

[Deleted member 87819]

But my point is that's a helluva lot of money for anyone

It would be if the transfer in question wasn’t going to pay itself back in commercial returns for the club, which it will quite easily. That’s why some transfers are allowed to cost this much. I’ve already said this, but I’ll say it again for you. We were willing to pay the same for Mbappe as PSG the summer he went to that club. He didn’t come not because of money, but because he wanted to stay in France. We knew the money would be worth it not just for his brilliant technique, but also because of he was a superstar in the making. And he was younger than Haaland is now, then. PSG also hasn’t regretted one bit paying what they did for Neymar; it changed their global status and brought in an insane amount of money for the club, even if they are yet to win the UCL, which is their sporting goal. So the amount of money for a transfer like Haaland, Neymar, Mbappe is ultimately justified, it is just a matter of which clubs can afford to pay now to gain later. It is as much a business decision as a technical one. It’s situations like this that you make exceptions for, but these opportunities happen in a decade less times than you could count in one hand, especially now

 

[RayCTID]

De Bryune saga lasted until to the first League game of the season in 2015, I still think this isn't a cut and dried deal.

 

[Damanino]

imagine a repeat of the Hazard saga back about 10 years ago.

Chelsea beating us in CL final then in June Haaland just puts out a twitter message:
"joining champions of Europe"

 

[Deleted member 87819]

De Bryune saga lasted until to the first League game of the season in 2015, I still think this isn't a cut and dried deal.

As a journalist, I love a juicy story, so I wouldn’t mind it dragging on lol, but as a fan, the sooner the better. My head tells me it won’t take that long, especially because Raiola, contrary to what people think, works well with Txiki, and will understand the situation. It might depend on the Sancho development with (it seems) Chelsea/United.

 

[Deleted member 87819]

Chelsea beating us in CL final

Can we not?

 

[manimanc]

As a journalist, I love a juicy story, so I wouldn’t mind it dragging on lol, but as a fan, the sooner the better. My head tells me it won’t take that long, especially because Raiola, contrary to what people think, works well with Txiki, and will understand the situation. It might depend on the Sancho development with (it seems) Chelsea/United.

Who do you write for, if you don't mind me being a nosey so n so?!

 

[bluemonkey71]

The cliches at this point are just exhausting to respond, especially when they are made by some of the same people who refuse to understand or consider some basic things. But carry on

Teach us the way of the force Obi Wan

 

[Deleted member 87819]

Who do you write for, if you don't mind me being a nosey so n so?!

Right now I don’t work for a publication, it’s a different kind of job in journalism. But I was talking about my instinct as a journalist for wanting the better story to happen.
For instance, United vs Arsenal would easily have made a more exciting and juicier Europa League final than United vs Villarreal. But as a fan, I wanted the probably inevitable United title to come in the least exciting way possible for them, against a mediocre team... lol

 

[Xhavenjoe]

It would be if the transfer in question wasn’t going to pay itself back in commercial returns for the club, which it will quite easily. That’s why some transfers are allowed to cost this much.

Can you expand a little on how Haaland will pay us back in commercial returns, in comparison to the players we currently have.
I can understand how our football capabilities may improve and how we may become even more successful on the pitch
Its the commercial side I can't grasp.
I just don't see him in the same way I see a Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar

 

[Deleted member 87819]

Can you expand a little on how Haaland will pay us back in commercial returns, in comparison to the players we currently have.
I can understand how our football capabilities may improve and how we may become even more successful on the pitch
Its the commercial side I can't grasp.
I just don't see him in the same way I see a Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar

This kind of stuff isn’t just a guess. It’s market tested, with a ton of research. If there wasn’t the commercial potential, he simply wouldn’t cost that. He isn’t Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar now, but those aren’t the comparison, because Messi was born as a star in a Barcelona winning team already with the biggest stage. Neymar (who I saw start here in Brazil when he was literally a kid) was a star in my country, but barely an idea in Europe, but an inevitable monster of a player in the making. The trajectory for Ronaldo would be more similar to Haaland, in terms of clubs and rise. Someone in another thread many weeks ago was talking about Instagram followers as a way of measuring this, but if you look at Mbappe (a player that recent social media trends saw grow way more than the other three) when PSG signed him, his follower numbers were pretty lame, but grew drastically, so did the commercial deals.
If you want to compare what would happen, the PSG transformation with Neymar and Mbappe is a place to look for. But in terms of brand, like it would have happened with Messi and why we’ve wanted him badly for years, is that you can build the best team in the world, but you start capitalizing on it with the star. You take that Madrid team when Ronaldo was there; it would still have been an extraordinary team without him, but he made the commercial difference as the face. Messi at Barcelona (at the peak especially) is the same, a brilliant team even without him, but a “product” because of him. This doesn’t mean those teams were dependent on those two players; in fact, they (Messi and Ronaldo) were outstanding also because of how extraordinary team players they were for those teams. It’s a marketing perspective strictly. The current struggles at Real Madrid are closely linked with not properly replacing Ronaldo, and I don’t mean just on a technical level. They know they need to fix that, and Mbappe is perfect for that task

 

[Tokyo32]

Can you expand a little on how Haaland will pay us back in commercial returns, in comparison to the players we currently have.
I can understand how our football capabilities may improve and how we may become even more successful on the pitch
Its the commercial side I can't grasp.
I just don't see him in the same way I see a Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar

Don’t mind him he is overrating Haalands brand. He thinks haaland is a very massive global brand. Sure He has potential to grow into a massive brand because he has been hyped from young age but signing haaland for 150m now no matter how he wants to spin it is bad business.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

He isn’t Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar now, but those aren’t the comparison

Thanks for the reply.
Why do you think current City players don't appear to be as commercially successful as some of the higher profile players at other clubs while having the same footballing ability in the field of play?

 

[Deleted member 87819]

Thanks for the reply.
Why do you think current City players don't appear to be as commercially successful as some of the higher profile players at other clubs while having the same footballing ability in the field of play?

It’s not that. I think Bayern is a good example. What a strong, dominating team. Their main star (Lewa), extraordinary as he is, simply never clicked for the market (he’s not, as the Germans would put it, über). So it never became ‘his’ team. It’s not a problem for them because the Bayern brand carries a different kind of weight. But in a way, I see them pursuing this “Haaland for 22/23 season” idea because he would provide for them the kind of elevation of an established strong team to capitalize on the market. We have a star in Kevin, but he can’t be the face of the team without scoring a shitload of goals like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Mbappe, Haaland. You need that moment on camera celebrating your goals over and over again. That’s the image that makes a difference. The repetition of that timeless moment. And eventually becoming a winner, with titles. Assists don’t quite get you there

 

[skyblue_brother]

Don’t mind him he is overrating Haalands brand. He thinks haaland is a very massive global brand. Sure He has potential to grow into a massive brand because he has been hyped from young age but signing haaland for 150m now no matter how he wants to spin it is bad business.

Is it really bad business? I certainly think I could build a business case around paying this,

- I doubt it’d be €150m in cash something more like £80m cash, waiver of Sacho sell on clause plus £30m performance based payments (connected to Goal scored in a season, champion league win) adding up to a theoretical €150m.

- He’s young so vs say Kane at £100m he has a resale value in 5year. Ok we wouldn’t want to sell him but comparing purchases, and cost it’d have to factored in

- We have let go of arguably the face of city in Aguero. I get a lot of people would say that‘s KDB or Foden (looking forward) but in any terms a player with a truly global appeal is leaving us and needs replacing. Forwards; the Roy of the rovers will always have the biggest commercial appeal vs midfielders

- in Footballing terms losing Aguero we need a forward, ok people may argue the current system is working but this is a extraordinary season and most I think would agree for continued success every team needs that person who’ll scored guaranteed 20+ goals a season for them

- You're buying Potential. Today messi, Ronaldo, Lesandowski, Neymar, Salah are probably the most marketable players, we are unlikely to buy all of these players so who is the next big thing? Arguably Haaland & Mbappe are the two players (I think Mbappe more) and you have to pay for potential. I was in my local park the other day and a kid was wearing a Haaland shirt so it already has some appealin that demographic.

- Revenue protection, if we don’t sign Haaland who does? If chelsea sign him does that increase there changes of domestic & European success which Impacts our successful negatively which would impact our commercial growth? Keeping him out of the hands of a competitor has a price.

- Commercially signing Haaland sends a signal to the market that we are one of the big clubs in the world (though that’s obvious already), creates a buzz and a belief that we have a sustained 5/10 year vision of success and growth with the potential of linking up (potentially) with the worlds next biggest star. This has a $ figure.

I think you can quite easily make a case for the €150m fee given his goal figures to date, age (sell of fee), profile & our lack of a strike in our team. Buttttt financial it’s about the total cost so we needto consider wages to and that’s maybe we’re this all falls apart....

It all depends how much he’s looking for, who owns image rights (though I think our parent company runs this) and split between guaranteed & performance salary. I think it’s difficult (nigh impossible) to build a case that he’s Commercially worth £600k a week especially when it wouldn’t just be his cost but other player who would also demand increases if we paid that sum.

Honestly I can’t believe we won’t be replacing Aguero this summer, that’s big shoes to fill commercially & footballing wise. I don’t believe our owners are stupid so they knew this was going to costs north of £100m and us announcing his departure was the biggest signal to us fans that we will see a incoming striker this summer. However of Haaland wants £600k a week he won’t becoming to city!

I’d like to believe behind the scenes hand have been shook on the Haaland deal and that he’s already coming but there I suspect is many twists (and newspaper inches) in this story, we’re in a strong position but it’s far from guaranteed and I’m sure there other names in mind / backup Plans if we don’t recruit a top player (ings lol)

I believe our owners have a vision for our club & brand, a pathway to take us to the next level, to be the biggest club in the world which I believe is there vision and arguably for that we need a “galactico” signing and arguably Haaland could seen as the player to improve us both on and off field . Haaland absolutely might make 100% business sense to our owners, and they understand Business involves risks and of course there’s lots of risk in this deal, but if he fails the performance related bonuses don’t kick in and he costs of €100m which is what every other player would costs but if he succeeds he could be part of a project adding another £1bn onto the value of the club.

 

[skillman]

imagine a repeat of the Hazard saga back about 10 years ago.

Chelsea beating us in CL final then in June Haaland just puts out a twitter message:
"joining champions of Europe"

 

[Nails]

This kind of stuff isn’t just a guess. It’s market tested, with a ton of research. If there wasn’t the commercial potential, he simply wouldn’t cost that. He isn’t Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar now, but those aren’t the comparison, because Messi was born as a star in a Barcelona winning team already with the biggest stage. Neymar (who I saw start here in Brazil when he was literally a kid) was a star in my country, but barely an idea in Europe, but an inevitable monster of a player in the making. The trajectory for Ronaldo would be more similar to Haaland, in terms of clubs and rise. Someone in another thread many weeks ago was talking about Instagram followers as a way of measuring this, but if you look at Mbappe (a player that recent social media trends saw grow way more than the other three) when PSG signed him, his follower numbers were pretty lame, but grew drastically, so did the commercial deals.
If you want to compare what would happen, the PSG transformation with Neymar and Mbappe is a place to look for. But in terms of brand, like it would have happened with Messi and why we’ve wanted him badly for years, is that you can build the best team in the world, but you start capitalizing on it with the star. You take that Madrid team when Ronaldo was there; it would still have been an extraordinary team without him, but he made the commercial difference as the face. Messi at Barcelona (at the peak especially) is the same, a brilliant team even without him, but a “product” because of him. This doesn’t mean those teams were dependent on those two players; in fact, they (Messi and Ronaldo) were outstanding also because of how extraordinary team players they were for those teams. It’s a marketing perspective strictly. The current struggles at Real Madrid are closely linked with not properly replacing Ronaldo, and I don’t mean just on a technical level. They know they need to fix that, and Mbappe is perfect for that task

Really can't argue with any of that.

 

[Deleted member 87819]

It’s not that. I think Bayern is a good example. What a strong, dominating team. Their main star (Lewa), extraordinary as he is, simply never clicked for the market (he’s not, as the Germans would put it, über). So it never became ‘his’ team. It’s not a problem for them because the Bayern brand carries a different kind of weight. But in a way, I see them pursuing this “Haaland for 22/23 season” idea because he would provide for them the kind of elevation of an established strong team to capitalize on the market. We have a star in Kevin, but he can’t be the face of the team without scoring a shitload of goals like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Mbappe, Haaland. You need that moment on camera celebrating your goals over and over again. That’s the image that makes a difference. The repetition of that timeless moment. And eventually becoming a winner, with titles. Assists don’t quite get you there

Just to expand a little on this post and why the timing here is perfect.
We don’t know how our next season will be. It could be underwhelming compared to this one. Let’s assume Chelsea do sign Lukaku and United do sign Kane. This is the precise moment in which you build and capitalize on being current winners also in the eyes of the market.
Haaland too is at the perfect moment to add “winner” to his image and also make the jump. Becoming the leading scorer of a winning team is how he turns into a Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar kind of star. That is why I have been saying he won’t be staying at Dortmund another season not winning anything. He can’t afford to. This is the window to materialize his star potential. He can’t waste this key precious age not being a winner anymore. Raiola knows this. We may not have a season this good anytime soon, which is why this is the perfect marriage for this specific time.
You look at Kane. Even though he has zero of any kind of charisma, he could’ve been so much more being a winner considerably earlier. He never made that his brand. Now his actual market value is gone. What he can do is help rebuild a brand like United and hope they become winners again, but it has nothing to do with himself.
Something an investment like this will eventually allow is for wage increases where they need to happen. I said back when the KdB extension happened that his new wages probably had something to do with the club knowing new major cash coming in. Not because it’s just KdB, but because it will be a wage upgrade for many others very soon. While, as the poster above said, hands may not already have been shaken, it feels like the club is confident about something.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Just to expand a little on this post and why the timing here is perfect.
We don’t know how our next season will be. It could be underwhelming compared to this one. Let’s assume Chelsea do sign Lukaku and United do sign Kane. This is the precise moment in which you build and capitalize on being current winners also in the eyes of the market.
Haaland too is at the perfect moment to add “winner” to his image and also make the jump. Becoming the leading scorer of a winning team is how he turns into a Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar kind of star. That is why I have been saying he won’t be staying at Dortmund another season not winning anything. He can’t afford to. This is the window to materialize his star potential. He can’t waste this key precious age not being a winner anymore. Raiola knows this. We may not have a season this good anytime soon, which is why this is the perfect marriage for this specific time.
You look at Kane. Even though he has zero of any kind of charisma, he could’ve been so much more being a winner considerably earlier. He never made that his brand. Now his actual market value is gone. What he can do is help rebuild a brand like United and hope they become winners again, but it has nothing to do with himself.
Something an investment like this will eventually allow is for wage increases where they need to happen. I said back when the KdB extension happened that his new wages probably had something to do with the club knowing new major cash coming in. Not because it’s just KdB, but because it will be a wage upgrade for many others very soon. While, as the poster above said, hands may not already have been shaken, it feels like the club is confident about something.

Your posts have been interesting on this subject and I agree with a lot of your points.

I would add something: there's an increasing trend amongst kids around the world to support players as much as teams. If Haaland carries on developing, for the reasons you give about him being a goalscoring "star", then he will bring large numbers of supporters to the club and maybe even to other parts of CFG worldwide.