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bluethrunthru said:
Just short of a majority which does undermine Sturgeons absolute claim to mounting IndyRef2 but in her shoes I'd call it and then take Johnson to the courts - he already has 9 investigations into him, his party and his conduct so at some stage questions will have to be asked about when is he actually running the country if he is spending all his time in front of a judge or a committee?
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Not really the 8 greens support a second referendum so she wouldn’t be one short.
 
I'd there a pmqs this week?

Johnson will be waving his cock at both SNP and Labour.
 



This is a valid point.

And it isn't just scotland, the greens made gains in english councils and if they were actually treated as a party and given the same airtime as some.others including the lib dems they may actually have a chance to grow.

Disillusioned labour voters should be moving to greens imho
 
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Jimmieblue said:
Best thing Boris can do now is give Nicola a time limit to draw up a manifesto for INDref2. Get the referendum done and abide by result. Start negotiations with EU regarding keeping the Euro. This will not end until the Scots are their own masters. Let them get on with it IMO anyway.
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Let the rest of the UK vote on it then. Can’t understand why the English don’t have a say as it affects us too. That would get them over the line.
 
manchester blue said:
Let the rest of the UK vote on it then. Can’t understand why the English don’t have a say as it affects us too. That would get them over the line.
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Because the english don't have a parliament that is devolved and so we cannot, unless the UK parliament wants to hold a nationwide referendom on it we have no say.


That was new labours mistake when devolution happened it never devolved England too as part of it though
It did try to have fully devoled English regions but the intitial referendum on it involving the newcastle region was rejected by the electorare and polls at the time showed little enthusiam for it from the English at the time.
 
urban genie said:
Because the english don't have a parliament that is devolved and so we cannot, unless the UK parliament wants to hold a nationwide referendom on it we have no say.


That was new labours mistake when devolution happened it never devolved England too as part of it though
It did try to have fully devoled English regions but the intitial referendum on it involving the newcastle region was rejected by the electorare and polls at the time showed little enthusiam for it from the English at the time.
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For the record I'd be all for a devolved English parliament.

Might make the union more equal.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
So fill me in. What are the numbers so far and how many are proIndy.
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The SNP 'failed' at winning an outright majority, by one seat. They have 33 seats more than the next best party. Plus 8 greens who are proindy, giving them a majority of 7. They also align on many other if not all policies, with the greens basically a more lefty version of the snp and with a bigger focus on environment.

In short they will have no issue at all governing.

There has been no significant change, overall it is an increase of 3 seats.



Regarding indyref, doesn't really matter either way imo. The snp had a mandate last term, parliament voted it through. they went along with Boris rejecting it because it suited them, to get to and win This election on it, before pushing it. They have a mandate again, maybe slightly stronger maybe not, and parliament will vote it through, when tabled. Thereafter it becomes a mess. Nicola is in no rush to do it, and has already caveated recovery comes first. But she Has to do it this term now, as she cant sustain stretching it out like this, it will frustrate her voters. Or maybe she can, who knows, nobody could have forseen covid, that still has to settle.


I've said on here a few times, and I still sthink that, I don't want another referendum. I'm one of those. That's not to say I don't 100% recognise the mandate is there, as it has been last term too, for one to happen when the Scottish parliament elected by the people decides. One is coming whether i want it or not (I didn't want that brexit one either) and that is democracy. Other than that, I'm happy with the parliament make-up and government, could have done with less torries and more of Anyone else really, but they have milked the single issue campaign so I'm hopeful it is centred around that for the time being rather than general policy (of which they have none anyway).

Think it really does need to now be put on the back burner, till things settle a bit.
Unfortunately, we won't be allowed that, and not by the proindy lot, but by the UK media and the mainstream parties.

If you watched the aftermath coverage of the election, the only ones talking about it were the opposition parties and the media, and thats all they talked about.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
So fill me in. What are the numbers so far and how many are proIndy.
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Some further numbers, since you are now an expert on the system.

The snp won 62 seats out of 73 via the first vote. Torries 5, libdems 4, labour 2.
In terms of first vote, total fucking landslide.

Via the second vote then, out of the 56 snp got only a further 2. The Tories 26, libdems 0, labour 20 and greens 8.

Makes it look like the snp did badly at regionals, they didn't, they simply cant win those though as the wins at constituency level prevent it.

You can add those up yourself for the final tally, if it is of interest.
 
Coatigan said:
The SNP 'failed' at winning an outright majority, by one seat. They have 33 seats more than the next best party. Plus 8 greens who are proindy, giving them a majority of 7. They also align on many other if not all policies, with the greens basically a more lefty version of the snp and with a bigger focus on environment.

In short they will have no issue at all governing.

There has been no significant change, overall it is an increase of 3 seats.



Regarding indyref, doesn't really matter either way imo. The snp had a mandate last term, parliament voted it through. they went along with Boris rejecting it because it suited them, to get to and win This election on it, before pushing it. They have a mandate again, maybe slightly stronger maybe not, and parliament will vote it through, when tabled. Thereafter it becomes a mess. Nicola is in no rush to do it, and has already caveated recovery comes first. But she Has to do it this term now, as she cant sustain stretching it out like this, it will frustrate her voters. Or maybe she can, who knows, nobody could have forseen covid, that still has to settle.


I've said on here a few times, and I still sthink that, I don't want another referendum. I'm one of those. That's not to say I don't 100% recognise the mandate is there, as it has been last term too, for one to happen when the Scottish parliament elected by the people decides. One is coming whether i want it or not (I didn't want that brexit one either) and that is democracy. Other than that, I'm happy with the parliament make-up and government, could have done with less torries and more of Anyone else really, but they have milked the single issue campaign so I'm hopeful it is centred around that for the time being rather than general policy (of which they have none anyway).

Think it really does need to now be put on the back burner, till things settle a bit.
Unfortunately, we won't be allowed that, and not by the proindy lot, but by the UK media and the mainstream parties.

If you watched the aftermath coverage of the election, the only ones talking about it were the opposition parties and the media, and thats all they talked about.
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As it looks like England are increasingly in love with the Conservative party and Liar Johnson irrespective of what they do I would like a referendum as soon as is practical. I would also like to see the Scottish Government start to put in place as the things they say will make an independent Scotland a successful small country. Stuff like attracting immigrants to increase the population. Sure, some of it will be difficult under the current ‘rules’ but we should push this as far as we possibly can. Time we stopped talking and started doing more. Let’s have an increased planning dialogue with the EU for instance. Let’s hammer out the currency plans and future banking infrastructure needed. Nothing stopping us doing this as far as I can see.
 
Is there another historical example of a nation moving progressively towards independence and then deciding to remain in the existing circumstances?

Should be interesting to see the voting patterns by age.
 
Gabriel said:
Is there another historical example of a nation moving progressively towards independence and then deciding to remain in the existing circumstances?

Should be interesting to see the voting patterns by age.
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2014 count?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
As it looks like England are increasingly in love with the Conservative party and Liar Johnson irrespective of what they do I would like a referendum as soon as is practical. I would also like to see the Scottish Government start to put in place as the things they say will make an independent Scotland a successful small country. Stuff like attracting immigrants to increase the population. Sure, some of it will be difficult under the current ‘rules’ but we should push this as far as we possibly can. Time we stopped talking and started doing more. Let’s have an increased planning dialogue with the EU for instance. Let’s hammer out the currency plans and future banking infrastructure needed. Nothing stopping us doing this as far as I can see.
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You could start the ball rolling yourselves up there by rejecting the Barnett formula as of now, it's not going to be there anyway after independence, so why not show the world how you can thrive without support from England?
This is constantly claimed by Sturgeon, so go for it.
 
Gabriel said:
Is there another historical example of a nation moving progressively towards independence and then deciding to remain in the existing circumstances?

Should be interesting to see the voting patterns by age.
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I know what you mean though.

Very much a one way street now, the Union is divided and the pull will only continue in one direction.

The Brexit vote was a vote to fuck the union. How slowly or how quickly and via which party/nation, only time will tell. But I can't for the life of me see any way back.
 
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