Have many of our “fans” become entitled?

SebastianBlue said:
I come back from a long, difficult absence toward the end of another amazing season in which the club has again achieved things beyond my wildest dreams as a young lad and what do I find?

Far too many posts on here and elsewhere calling players “shitebags”, complaining about players’ commitment, criticising Pep’s management, and just generally moaning about the club.

After one loss in a dead rubber with one of the single worst (read: bent) refereeing performances I have seen in three decades of supporting City, a few weeks before our first ever Champions League final!

And on Twitter I see many abusing our players (some racially, especially when it comes to Sterling) after less-than-stellar performances or runs of form.

How have so many of our “fans” become so ****ing entitled, bordering on ragish. Or abhorrent, full stop. I know it’s not everyone — there are plenty admonishing and rebuking these impish idiots (at best). But there are still too many of these “fans” for my comfort. They are not what our club is about. They aren’t representative of our values. Perhaps United’s or Liverpool’s, bit not City’s.

Am I seeing more than are actually there? Am I falling in to just another trap of football tribalism, except creating more “us v them” amongst our own?

That could be the case and I am happy to be convinced I am.

But as of late, it seems like there has been a surge of the worst sort of “fan” in our ranks and I worry that the various aspects of the pandemic (isolation, shift to online engagement, return to the hooligan culture for many disaffected in order to find community/purpose/lost power, etc.) has them quickly taking over. At least the most visible, vocal realm of our support, anyway.

What do you think? Am I exaggerating the issue? Is it really that bad? Or is it just a prominent minority of “fans” that will eventually be drowned out as things get back to whatever “normal” is once the virus is under relative control?

I won’t be able to respond to all posts, or quickly to any, but I do appreciate everyone’s thoughts as I have been ruminating on this for some time, especially in light of the recent ESL debacle.

I think the general reaction of supporters — especially those in Manchester — really showed who we are and what we want the club to represent, but I also saw plenty of questionable stances among those claiming to be City fans. And I wonder what would have been the response of the club if the seemingly “entitled” contingent, who mostly appeared to love the idea of the ESL, had more time to rise in the ranks. And whether that means a similar situation in the future, if things progress as they are in my view, may result in a very different outcome.

Perhaps this is all down to my loss of sympathy for those that don’t know how good they have it. Maybe I’ve become even more of a miserable **** than I was before.

Regardless, although I can only mostly read threads these days, @Ric, it’s probably best to remove my mod privileges as seeing these daft, entitled, ragish posts throughout, it’s only a matter of time before I muster the energy to wildly swing the hammer. And, at any rate, I can’t really properly moderate any more, and have shed most of my diplomatic skills, so best I go back to being limited to addlebrained contributions like this.

Up the Blues!
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You forgot fans who won't be renewing their season tickets because they didn't get an email when they thought they should.
 
When most PL clubs fans expectations are to finish mid table and have a good cup run, I think we really need to look at the feast of football and trophies we are accruing.

You have to recall that a generation of United fans have grown up on glory - look at their protests now that they aren't winning it every single year - of course they say "no, it's down to the money being taken out of the club" but in reality since 2013 they have spent (net) almost the same as us on players*.

Any other club on the planet would be happy with a Europa final this year - but they don't count that as a trophy...oh wait, unles they win it then we will all know about it.

Do I want to win the league every year? Yes. Would I act like a self entitled ___ if we hadn't won it so many times recently? No.

*I use the word 'players' lightly as some of the dog turds they have spent a fortune on have been hilarious :D
 
I started a thread once titled 'City fans posting about City fans moaning about City fans moaning'

The general gist was that there are all sorts of people supporting City who have different dispositions to the same scenario. We have the laid back types, the pessimists, the optimists, the angry, the pompous, the old school, the lighthearted, the miserable and the fearful, to name drop just a tiny %.

My message was to not stress when people get stressed. Football is an emotive sport and open to many angles of opinion and conjecture, even from supporters of the same team.

Let people behave how they feel they need to, in victory and defeat; and ignore if it riles you.

If somebodies attitude or opinion is, in your opinion, entitled that is only your opinion.

I don't see that happening on here. I see fans expressing their viewpoint on the games as they see it. And a lot of it is warranted. Just because we have won pots doesn't mean we cannot comment or criticise.

The best moment to be objective and critical is when we are on an 'up', because if we let things slide we'll wake up one day and be Arsenal!!!

And nobody wants that!!!

P.s. my thread got pulled by the mods, btw. Not sure why. But I don't fancy your thread making it past tea time either!!! ;)
 
Marklr said:
Maybe it's just the younger fans or ones that have jumped on the bandwagon after 2008.
City have one of the oldest fan bases, haven't we? I'd say most of us appreciate where we've come from and what we've been through. Weren't we a negative bunch back in the 80s and 90s? Mind you, we had plenty of reason back then! But yeah...reading some of the comments on the match day thread can be a bit depressing.
I'm always grateful that we're able to compete on all levels these days. Even when we're shit, i'm just happy we're there with a good chance.
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I dunno, some of the older fans seem never happier when they are moaning, it seems like it's their favourite thing to do in the world. It might have been why they fell in love with City back in the dark days(ok that's too far, haha).

To put my psychiatry hat on for a minute, maybe for the ones who are always at it and always go over the top, it comes down to personalities and circumstances. Some people are genuinely unhappy/depressed and football is where they direct all that emotion(unfortunately for the players).

For the majority, who only do it when there's been a significant set back, it probably comes down to people dealing with disappointment differently.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I come back from a long, difficult absence toward the end of another amazing season in which the club has again achieved things beyond my wildest dreams as a young lad and what do I find?

Far too many posts on here and elsewhere calling players “shitebags”, complaining about players’ commitment, criticising Pep’s management, and just generally moaning about the club.

After one loss in a dead rubber with one of the single worst (read: bent) refereeing performances I have seen in three decades of supporting City, a few weeks before our first ever Champions League final!

And on Twitter I see many abusing our players (some racially, especially when it comes to Sterling) after less-than-stellar performances or runs of form.

How have so many of our “fans” become so ****ing entitled, bordering on ragish. Or abhorrent, full stop. I know it’s not everyone — there are plenty admonishing and rebuking these impish idiots (at best). But there are still too many of these “fans” for my comfort. They are not what our club is about. They aren’t representative of our values. Perhaps United’s or Liverpool’s, bit not City’s.

Am I seeing more than are actually there? Am I falling in to just another trap of football tribalism, except creating more “us v them” amongst our own?

That could be the case and I am happy to be convinced I am.

But as of late, it seems like there has been a surge of the worst sort of “fan” in our ranks and I worry that the various aspects of the pandemic (isolation, shift to online engagement, return to the hooligan culture for many disaffected in order to find community/purpose/lost power, etc.) has them quickly taking over. At least the most visible, vocal realm of our support, anyway.

What do you think? Am I exaggerating the issue? Is it really that bad? Or is it just a prominent minority of “fans” that will eventually be drowned out as things get back to whatever “normal” is once the virus is under relative control?

I won’t be able to respond to all posts, or quickly to any, but I do appreciate everyone’s thoughts as I have been ruminating on this for some time, especially in light of the recent ESL debacle.

I think the general reaction of supporters — especially those in Manchester — really showed who we are and what we want the club to represent, but I also saw plenty of questionable stances among those claiming to be City fans. And I wonder what would have been the response of the club if the seemingly “entitled” contingent, who mostly appeared to love the idea of the ESL, had more time to rise in the ranks. And whether that means a similar situation in the future, if things progress as they are in my view, may result in a very different outcome.

Perhaps this is all down to my loss of sympathy for those that don’t know how good they have it. Maybe I’ve become even more of a miserable **** than I was before.

Regardless, although I can only mostly read threads these days, @Ric, it’s probably best to remove my mod privileges as seeing these daft, entitled, ragish posts throughout, it’s only a matter of time before I muster the energy to wildly swing the hammer. And, at any rate, I can’t really properly moderate any more, and have shed most of my diplomatic skills, so best I go back to being limited to addlebrained contributions like this.

Up the Blues!
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Fucking hell not been back long and your causing shit already:)
 
There's always a line, and it's crossed too often. Some of the words thrown Garcia's are a little bit embarrassing, all because he had the audacity of wanting to play for his boyhood club for an unreasonably high wage.

It's more ubiquitous though.

To repeat what jimharri wrote last night in the Rodri thread:

However, one of the categories for receiving a warning is "excessive abuse of City personnel/employee". Calling someone a shite footballer is one thing; calling him a shitebag is not acceptable.
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Yes, you're entitled to your opinion. And yes, this is a forum where you can give your opinion. But if you fail to keep your emotions in check and make any comment that crosses the line, then it's just not tolerable.
 
It's kind of always been the same to be honest even at the game. We are a bunch of whinging bastards, myself included at times. I put it down to a certain personality trait you needed to start following the Blues. An inner masochism, a kind of morose character trait. It's very hard to define but it is what it is.

I wouldn't say it's entitled, definitely not amongst the older fans. I think it's more expectations have been raised and as a result the pressure. Losing any game, no fan likes it so they will have a moan, dead rubber or not. I'm thinking of rewriting the " We never win at home we never win away" song to, "We moan at home and we moan away, win or lose we moan all day, we're not entitled and we do give a fuck, moaning bastards okay!!!"
 
Aside from the abuse of players and staff issue which is another matter IMO. In terms of enjoying the ride, this era is probably the one that would justify having a happy-laid back fanbase but I don't think City's fanbase has ever been that on the whole. However, I also think there's a happy medium to find between not being miserable and entitled and not being too happy to be here("happy clappers" as they call them here) and inviting complacency, we already have examples in football today of where that leads.
 
Interesting views and maybe the moaning has increased. For me personally, I call it as I see it. If a player is having a bad game,Imo It’s ok to have a heated discussion on said players performance. Racist abuse is disgusting and has no place on this forum or anywhere else.

The club has changed and also stayed the same and so have the supporters. The clash of old and new will continue into the future. The standards on the field has risen and so has the fans expectations. I feel incredibly lucky to be a city fan. It was tough work at times but the enjoyment from lifting a cup never diminishes no matter how many we win.

All I am trying to say is yes the core of the club remains firmly intact but we also have to embrace the new and that includes entitled twats/fans. It is entirely up to you blue as to how you deal with this new era. Laugh, Cry, Rant but most importantly enjoy the wonderful football Pep is serving up. The rest is white noise...I include myself in the rant category but certainly not entitled ;)
 
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The more things change, the more they stay the same ;)

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mccity said:
There's always a line, and it's crossed too often. Some of the words thrown Garcia's are a little bit embarrassing, all because he had the audacity of wanting to play for his boyhood club for an unreasonably high wage.

It's more ubiquitous though.

To repeat what jimharri wrote last night in the Rodri thread:






Yes, you're entitled to your opinion. And yes, this is a forum where you can give your opinion. But if you fail to keep your emotions in check and make any comment that crosses the line, then it's just not tolerable.
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Where in the rules is that ? What jim said
 
It’s not entitlement, it’s expectation.

Not an expectation to win, but an expectation to give your all.

It’s why I was damning of Rodri last night and also in the Dortmund game, when he lost the ball and didn’t try fix an error he caused and chose to moan and give up.

We’re City. We had 30 years of players who sometimes weren’t very good but gave every ounce of their being to TRY. That’s all I’ve ever asked.

It’s why we revere Zabaleta, Richard Dunne, Andy Morrison and Goater, whilst far, far better players are just passing memories.

Find me a single blue that would have Robinho over Richard Dunne.

So it’s not entitlement, we’ve been spoilt beyond our wildest dreams.

But it is expectation.

Expectation that if you wear the shirt zabaleta or Dunne bled on, you try. If a player doesn’t and chooses to moan like Rodri does when he gives the ball away, or play the agent game like Garcia has, they are the entitled ones.
 
I don't feel more "entitled" but I do expect more.
I'm getting used to our highly trained squad achieving unbelievable feats , I expect this to continue for some time.
Our professionalism has been staggering and light years ahead of our competitors both on and off the field.
When the focus is on the 90 mins on the pitch I am now conditioned to see WWWW ......
this last month has been quite a new experience and has taken time to get used to. It's clear we have had a plan and all that matters is the coming final. Games like last night are irrelevant and if it suits Pep to play the u12s then so be it.
I'm not a happy clapper ,Walker can be brain dead at times , Raz well what can I say and that twat at right back soon to be at Barca can fuck off now!.
It's difficult to get used to the dizzy heights of serial winners when you were brought up on the scoreboard end watching Cliff Sear et al.
Entitled ? No.
 
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