Im all for accountability, but to argue that obesity, smoking, alcoholism etc. don't affect everyone, particularly with regards to the NHS, and particularly now, is just wrong.there is a relationship sure, but nothing has impacted NHS and all our lives as has Covid. Do you think otherwise. Sure its abit drastic but these are drastic times are they not. And whats wrong with making people accountable for their own actions.
You clearly haven't looked at Bedford, East London or Glasgow.ZOE APP DATA
Predicted Cases DOWN 109 to 2551.
North West still the only UK red zone.
Predicted symptomatic cases also up a bit again to 38, 445 - a rise of 655 in day. Half yesterday.
NORTH WEST NUMBERS
(Predicted active cases / Estimated cases per million population locally / Both V yesterday)
BOLTON 856/ 3019 V 455 / 1605 V 183 / 646 - A very big rise that takes Bolton up into the higher tier of the dark pink zone. Of course more testing finds more cases is a factor. But as I was noting yesterday GM was becoming more and more a concern not just Bolton.
As we see here unfortunately.....
BURY 530 / 2808 V 270 / 1432 Big Rise. Doubles from yesterday and into the second tier of watch zones.
Moreover - sadly a THIRD GM borough now joins in - though for now just in the lowest tier pink watch list (over 1000)
TAMESIDE 292 / 1306 V 165 / 736 - the warnings signs were there yesterday here too with a steep rise as I noted. Now realised with another.
Sadly Zoe is again reflecting what we see in real life cases but appears to be a day or two ahead. Those running the situation in GM really need to pay attention to these GM borough Zoe numbers and act on local testing and vaccinations when they see signs.
Moreover the North West now has a new leader - one of the worst numbers in the UK and above Bolton.
LANCASTER 633 / 4434 V 166 / 1163 - TRIPLED since yesterday.
North West is certainly in a bit of trouble comparative to other regions right now.
Indeed even WIRRAL has now gone light pink (first watch zone over 1000) at 513 / 1605
Merseyside has been very low for weeks.
Others GM Areas:-
MANCHESTER 264 / 485 V 139 / 255 - double yesterday
OLDHAM 175 / 750 V 87 / 373 - another doubling in 24 hours- need to watch .
ROCHDALE 60 / 275 V 27 / 122 another doubling
SALFORD 72 / 284 V 42 / 166 - not quite so bad but a sixth successive and larger increase here
STOCKPORT 115 / 398 V 112 / 389 - also a sixth successive rise but recent days the uptick very slight here.
TRAFFORD 92 / 392 V 112 / 480 - bucks the trend and actually falls a little today.
WIGAN 134 / 413 V 49 / 152 - unfortunately proximity to Bolton and the real cases rising we saw yesterday to highest in a while show these numbers almost tripling in a day not to be a shock. But are a concern.
THIS IS CLEAR WARNING TO THOSE RUNNING GREATER MANCHESTER THAT WE RISK THIS SPREADING UNLESS THEY ACT QUICKLY. BY THE TIME IT TURNS UP IN THE 5 DAY DATA IT MAY BE EVERYWHERE. NO NEED RO PANIC BUT THERE IS NEED NOT TO WAIT AND LET IT GET OUT OF CONTROL
Chorley, Fylde and High Peak all inching up too but not to any extent worth monitoring.
But according to Zoe Cases are rising everywhere in England particularly a bit as is inevitable as we all relax.
Not in of itself a big concern Just a need to watch carefully
Aberdeen (Scotland) 1465 / 6481 v 1663 / 7357 is a bit of a fall but for now
STILL WORST AREA IN UK ON ZOE
Newport (Wales) 155 / 1020 V 166 / 1094 - after days of fall has almost dropped enough to be off the lowest red list entirely.
North Lanarkshire (Scotland) 1046 / 3091 V 1533 / 4531 - is an even better fall here but just on the middle grade of pink in UK regions.
Others in England:-
Redbridge from the south is up enough to top this list in England today at 1239 / 4106
North Lincolnshire 686 / 4023 V 738 / 4329 - small fall
Bedford 578 / 3398 V 597 / 3511 - a small fall
Leeds 2096 / 2674 V 2192 / 2797 - a small fall
Bradford 1994 / 3739 V 2076 / 3891 - falling a little.
Leicester (708 / 2006 V 812 / 2300) and Hinckley (282 / 2532 V 286/ 2653) both fall a little
Ashfield in Nottinghamshire is UP though from the 1000s to 287/ 2270 - in the second pink tier.
So today most places going down and a lot are in the North West too. But more are going up - even if just bit by bit - to be entirely expected as we open up - in Greater Manchester than we would maybe like to see.
Would not be surprised to see a couple more boroughs turn pink this weekend.
But not panic stations yet. We solve Bolton and stop the rest getting out of control. Both achievable in next week or two.
Yes we should, nothing has impacted all our lives on the scale of covid.Im all for accountability, but to argue that obesity, smoking, alcoholism etc. don't affect everyone, particularly with regards to the NHS, and particularly now, is just wrong.
With covid being the single biggest health threat of our lifetimes, as you stated, should we be picking and choosing? Make everyone accountable or noone.
You're not getting my argument. Im saying all those things you say dont affect millions, are DIRECTLY affecting millions as a result of decreased NHS capacity. Given your strong feelings about punishing those who are making this worse, then all of those who are putting stress on the NHS as a result of poor life choices should be punished too.Yes we should, nothing has impacted all our lives on the scale of covid.
???You clearly haven't looked at Bedford, East London or Glasgow.
Another lockdown beckonsAlmost 4000 people a year die from passive smoking and 78,000 a year from smoking directly.
Boom. First real world study of vaccine efficacy against variant first identified in India.
33% efficacy in preventing symptomatic infections (ONE DOSE)
81% in same (TWO DOSES)
Efficacy in preventing serious illness and mortality likely to be even higher.
Small evasion on protection against symptoms, likely even smaller evasion against serious cases.
Still need to learn about the transmission, as much higher rate could still cause us major issues as we know, but this is great news for the vaccines.
Because it is an experimental jab it is not a vaccine. When are you going to understand, Covid was invented so you follow the other sheep and have an experimental jab. Turn off your TV and don't listen to the rubbish they spout about infection rates blah blah blah. Covid has been invented so you go and get an experimental jab which will fk your immune system ,.. check ChAd0x 1 re-combinant ., on the boxes of AZ etc. Re- combinant changes your dna,. Eg, you mess around with your pc / laptop hard drive it will eventually go haywire...mess with your dna and expect the same. So that is one of the many reasons that a lot of us will never have this crap put in our bodies.Why do some people not want the vaccine?
Because it is an experimental jab it is not a vaccine. When are you going to understand, Covid was invented so you follow the other sheep and have an experimental jab. Turn off your TV and don't listen to the rubbish they spout about infection rates blah blah blah. Covid has been invented so you go and get an experimental jab which will fk your immune system ,.. check ChAd0x 1 re-combinant ., on the boxes of AZ etc. Re- combinant changes your dna,. Eg, you mess around with your pc / laptop hard drive it will eventually go haywire...mess with your dna and expect the same. So that is one of the many reasons that a lot of us will never have this crap put in our bodies.Why do some people not want the vaccine?
As we really don’t know the long term affects of itWhy do some people not want the vaccine?
Brilliant.Because it is an experimental jab it is not a vaccine. When are you going to understand, Covid was invented so you follow the other sheep and have an experimental jab. Turn off your TV and don't listen to the rubbish they spout about infection rates blah blah blah. Covid has been invented so you go and get an experimental jab which will fk your immune system ,.. check ChAd0x 1 re-combinant ., on the boxes of AZ etc. Re- combinant changes your dna,. Eg, you mess around with your pc / laptop hard drive it will eventually go haywire...mess with your dna and expect the same. So that is one of the many reasons that a lot of us will never have this crap put in our bodies.
One of the better WUMs on this forum in recent years!Because it is an experimental jab it is not a vaccine. When are you going to understand, Covid was invented so you follow the other sheep and have an experimental jab. Turn off your TV and don't listen to the rubbish they spout about infection rates blah blah blah. Covid has been invented so you go and get an experimental jab which will fk your immune system ,.. check ChAd0x 1 re-combinant ., on the boxes of AZ etc. Re- combinant changes your dna,. Eg, you mess around with your pc / laptop hard drive it will eventually go haywire...mess with your dna and expect the same. So that is one of the many reasons that a lot of us will never have this crap put in our bodies.
Hurry up your due your nighttime medicationBecause it is an experimental jab it is not a vaccine. When are you going to understand, Covid was invented so you follow the other sheep and have an experimental jab. Turn off your TV and don't listen to the rubbish they spout about infection rates blah blah blah. Covid has been invented so you go and get an experimental jab which will fk your immune system ,.. check ChAd0x 1 re-combinant ., on the boxes of AZ etc. Re- combinant changes your dna,. Eg, you mess around with your pc / laptop hard drive it will eventually go haywire...mess with your dna and expect the same. So that is one of the many reasons that a lot of us will never have this crap put in our bodies.
I think sarcasm such as that of citymantop does have a place though. It provides further reassurance that there are no genuine reasons for not having a vaccine.One of the better WUMs on this forum in recent years!
Is that you Ian..Because it is an experimental jab it is not a vaccine. When are you going to understand, Covid was invented so you follow the other sheep and have an experimental jab. Turn off your TV and don't listen to the rubbish they spout about infection rates blah blah blah. Covid has been invented so you go and get an experimental jab which will fk your immune system ,.. check ChAd0x 1 re-combinant ., on the boxes of AZ etc. Re- combinant changes your dna,. Eg, you mess around with your pc / laptop hard drive it will eventually go haywire...mess with your dna and expect the same. So that is one of the many reasons that a lot of us will never have this crap put in our bodies.
Just investigate. Do your research first, ...if you go on holiday or to a restaurant you spend 5 minutes searching the reviews...(don't use Google ) and then I will be open to be criticized. We are all allowed an opinion. I know you see my post as being irrelevant and not worth your time and everything from your aspect is getting better but when it gets to injecting your kids ( with an experiment) you need to stop and think. I apologize if you think I was sarcastic , i suppose I get just as frustrated with people who take this jab as you do with us who will not. I have my thoughts and have given a ( in my view) valid opinion.I think sarcasm such as that of citymantop does have a place though. It provides further reassurance that there are no genuine reasons for not having a vaccine.