Pep Guardiola - 2020/21 Performances

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samarasra said:
We won the league because of the strength of the collective, every one of them. Did Pep tell you he was "dumped" and what he "has finally seen", I think he sees what you cannot.
Sterling it appears was played for his strengths and was given game time in the past few matches in hope of restoring him to his best form, sadly it didn't work.
"Rodri being part of a title winning team means fuck all on his individual abilities or contribution otherwise Darren Fletcher is one of the greatest midfielders in Premier League history." What a ridiculous comment from someone who follows a team sport. A PL winning team is a collection of individual players/staff whose combined and individual varieties of skills and strengths are better than any other team, over a season. I doubt Rodri will be sulking too much, that he's not considered a great player, as he polishes his medals knowing he will go down in the club's history as part of a great team. Likewise in years to come Fletcher's name will be in the Reds' history books as a member of what they remember as a great team, no one will care what our opinions of either are.
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First off he played the majority of the season and then was unused in a semi final and final of the champions league, he was dumped. Pep hasn’t told me no, but considering he too played in the same position and then did not use him in the biggest games of the seasons suggest to me he has lost faith.

Secondly how can it be a ridiculous comment to mention someone’s individual abilities despite his success as a team player? You replace Rodri with Fernandinho or Gundogan this season and it’s the same outcome, title winners. You replace him with Kalvin Phillips and it’s the same outcome. Fabinho same outcome. Kante same outcome. Ndidi same outcome. Hojbjerg same outcome.

Rodri is not a special player. Any DM could have done the same job he did, recycle the ball against a team that has 11 behind the ball.

Finally not sure what your point is about Rodri not sulking about not being a great player and not caring about our opinions.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
If you think my original one word comment requires further clarification, it only strengthens it.
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Whatever makes you happy pal. I come on this forum to discuss opinions on football. You wouldn’t randomly shout that out in the pub would you but whatever floats your boat on here and makes you happy like I said.
 
WNRH said:
First off he played the majority of the season and then was unused in a semi final and final of the champions league, he was dumped. Pep hasn’t told me no, but considering he too played in the same position and then did not use him in the biggest games of the seasons suggest to me he has lost faith.

Secondly how can it be a ridiculous comment to mention someone’s individual abilities despite his success as a team player? You replace Rodri with Fernandinho or Gundogan this season and it’s the same outcome, title winners. You replace him with Kalvin Phillips and it’s the same outcome. Fabinho same outcome. Kante same outcome. Ndidi same outcome. Hojbjerg same outcome.

Rodri is not a special player. Any DM could have done the same job he did, recycle the ball against a team that has 11 behind the ball.

Finally not sure what your point is about Rodri not sulking about not being a great player and not caring about our opinions.
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Your statement that he played the majority of the season but not the home semi-final leg and the final is factually correct, the rest is your opinion, to which you are entitled. I am also entitled to an opinion and that is that speculating on what other players might have done to win us the title, is entirely irrelevant to a Pep thread, your opinion dressed up as factual statements. Whether Rodri or any of our PL winning team are "special" individual players will be best judged when their careers come to an end. You are not sure what my point is, suddenly I'm not surprised.
 
WNRH said:
Whatever makes you happy pal. I come on this forum to discuss opinions on football. You wouldn’t randomly shout that out in the pub would you but whatever floats your boat on here and makes you happy like I said.
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Rodri has been integral to the success of the team this season. Anyone who can’t see that is deluded. If you want to detail key mistakes made by players this season, he won’t be in the Top 5...by a wide margin.

And understanding football floats my boat.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Rodri has been integral to the success of the team this season. Anyone who can’t see that is deluded. If you want to detail key mistakes made by players this season, he won’t be in the Top 5...by a wide margin.

And understanding football floats my boat.
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So Pep is deluded then? As surely someone who has been integral to the success of the team this season wouldn’t then not play in the two biggest games of the season and the biggest game in this clubs history?

Ruben Dias has been integral to the success this season. So has KDB, so has Foden, so has Gundogan, so has Walker, so has Ederson.

All played in the biggest games this season.

Rodri who is supposedly as integral, nowhere to be seen in the two biggest.

So integral.

Happy to at least be in the same association as someone like Pep Guardiola though, the deluded blues.
 
WNRH said:
So Pep is deluded then? As surely someone who has been integral to the success of the team this season wouldn’t then not play in the two biggest games of the season and the biggest game in this clubs history?

Ruben Dias has been integral to the success this season. So has KDB, so has Foden, so has Gundogan, so has Walker, so has Ederson.

All played in the biggest games this season.

Rodri who is supposedly as integral, nowhere to be seen in the two biggest.

So integral.

Happy to at least be in the same association as someone like Pep Guardiola though, the deluded blues.
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You clearly have a deluded sense of self. I’m out. Good luck to you, you’re going to need it!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
You clearly have a deluded sense of self. I’m out. Good luck to you, you’re going to need it!
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Not really, just an average Joe with a thirst for discussing football in a sensible manner. Not a surprise you are bailing out though, all the hallmarks of your past postings. Good luck to your good self as well. Have a gooden.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
You clearly have a deluded sense of self. I’m out. Good luck to you, you’re going to need it!
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That's with a capital D. Just finished a "sensible" one sided "discussion" on the Zinchenko thread with "average Joe", but Joe was out, probably posting to himself.
 
samarasra said:
That's with a capital D. Just finished a "sensible" one sided "discussion" on the Zinchenko thread with "average Joe", but Joe was out, probably posting to himself.
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You have a habit of going on different threads and mentioning different topics. You should stick to the thread.

Joe.
 
01cravend said:
Can see us playing our best team and best system the first time we play Chelsea next season and giving them a hiding. Will be an annoying win.
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So can I but thats because it will be the best team for the tactics we use mext season against Chelsea. That will include a centre forwatd.
An option I’m guessing he didn’t think Aguero was fit enough to give him last week. Fair chance it includes 2 wide wingers too, one of which could well be Sterling.
 
I wonder how Pep will handle the loss, he’s so hyper he must be questioning himself at the moment or he wouldn’t be human. I’ve said we will do ten years here especially if he had won on Saturday, he has two left and players signing will want to know his plans for just future I know I would.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I wonder how Pep will handle the loss, he’s so hyper he must be questioning himself at the moment or he wouldn’t be human. I’ve said we will do ten years here especially if he had won on Saturday, he has two left and players signing will want to know his plans for just future I know I would.
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Hopefully he is hurting as much as us fans,and asking himself why he keeps making the same mistake.
 
WNRH said:
You are correct, some of those players you mentioned did lose form, but at one stage or another they were playing to a high ability. Rodri has never hit those heights individually despite all the team accolades such as a 21 game winning streak that he was part of.

DM’s or number 6’s are unstated and unappreciated, if you don’t notice them then they’ve had a good game. Rodri was getting noticed for the wrong reasons, getting caught on the ball, losing it in key positions, not playing through the lines, the odd bad game is standard but with Rodri it was happening more and more and the goal he conceded at home to Chelsea was the final nail in the coffin for the rest of the season.

He’ll still be at City next season as he cost £60m and it’s not easy to just get rid of players like that but if it was like NBA and we could trade him, my opinion would be Pep would take that trade as he’s not that special and there will be a dozen players like him who can do a better job in our team and give us more.

There’s a lot of talk about Fernandinho being given an extra year just for his leadership in the dressing room, whilst I don’t doubt that reasoning, I would imagine another reason to extend his playing contract into his 37th year is because Pep is not fully convinced of his supposed replacement.

It would not surprise me to see both leave in the summer of 2022.
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So presumably, following this logic, it really shouldn't have mattered that we didn't play a defensive midfielder against Chelsea, right? If we can win 21 games on the bounce with our DM not contributing individually (or "in spite of" him, as I believe you stated in a different post), that role really can't be very important at all, can it?
 
FromPollockToSilva said:
So presumably, following this logic, it really shouldn't have mattered that we didn't play a defensive midfielder against Chelsea, right? If we can win 21 games on the bounce with our DM not contributing individually (or "in spite of" him, as I believe you stated in a different post), that role really can't be very important at all, can it?
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That’s not the logic. The topic of discussion is not about the position of a defensive midfielder. It’s about Rodri the individual (which as we are on a Pep thread we are going off topic, I’ve said my piece in his own personal thread so won’t further comment after this)

We would have won the same 21 games with any other defensive midfielder playing instead of Rodri. He was not key to that run nor was he key to us winning the league, if he was then he would have played in the clubs biggest game of all time.

The system we play means that the role of the defensive midfielder is so important and one should have been deployed against Chelsea to give us a better chance of succeeding. This role has been the key in all of Pep’s sides and for him to abandon Rodri for the final is telling on his current opinion on the player himself.
 
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