Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Really?? Go on then. Every single case of the current hospitalisations haven't had a jab. What's your evidence

Worsleyweb was hospitalised with Covid after his first jab.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Just over a 2bn doses of vaccine have been administered globally. And speed is ramping up massively.

so glad the anti Vaxxer brigade aren’t winning.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

There's loads out there on it. For example the of the head of the NHS last week said only a handful of patients with 2 jabs are currently in hospital. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57294438.amp if you search around there's other newer articles saying there was none for this week

But that doesn't support what you wrote:

"The fact is every case of hospitalisations hasn't had a jab"

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Worsleyweb was hospitalised with Covid after his first jab.

Well he should gave protected himself until after his second jab. Not sure what you are trying to say?

 

[unicorn]

This is a global problem and one country cannot be free from danger until the rest are too.

And that's the key issue for me.

 

[True_Blue69]

But that doesn't support what you wrote:

"The fact is every case of hospitalisations hasn't had a jab"

A handful of fully vaccinated people requiring a hospital visit should be enough to open everything up. It’s never going to be zero let’s be honest, just like other illnesses.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well he should gave protected himself until after his second jab. Not sure what you are trying to say?

He was hospitalised after his first jab, debunking your theory.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

But that doesn't support what you wrote:

"The fact is every case of hospitalisations hasn't had a

Yawn, yes it does. It was also mentioned on newsnight the other day. You go and research as I already know I'm right

 

[BerkshireBlue]

A handful of fully vaccinated people requiring a hospital visit should be enough to open everything up. It’s never going to be zero let’s be honest, just like other illnesses.

Exactly

 

[BLUEMATT23]

There is talk of the over 40s being accelerated for there 2nd dose.
If this happens how do you change it, just go on the website or do you have to book again does anyone know?

 

[uweblue]

What planet are you on? 20-30% less effective against symptomatic infection after one dose and a small drop off in efficacy after 2 doses IS LITERALLY A DENT!!!!

Showing you evidence of

PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL WHO HAVE BEEN JABBED

when you claim

THERE ARE NO CASES OF PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL WHO HAVE BEEN JABBED

You're even proving yourself wrong with your own evidence.

Tbf I think you are wrong, the vaccine in very strong against the Indian varient, especially if you have to doses, there is real evidence vaccines work against it,

Therefore we need to speed up the vaccinations so we can fully open up

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Tbf I think you are wrong, the vaccine in very strong against the Indian varient, especially if you have to doses, there is real evidence vaccines work against it,

Therefore we need to speed up the vaccinations so we can fully open up

That's what I said. Which part am I wrong about?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

A handful of fully vaccinated people requiring a hospital visit should be enough to open everything up. It’s never going to be zero let’s be honest, just like other illnesses.

Maybe, maybe not.

But it's not what you said.

On this new point

(1) we don't know enough yet to say if it will be a handful. Thus far in this third wave (if we call it that), hospitalisation rate has only ~halved from the previous wave, despite vaccination*.

That leaves more than enough scope to yet again overwhelm the NHS, with current caseload growth exponential with a doubling of two weeks. And that could grow faster yet if we remove more restrictions.

(2) It doesn't matter if the people filling the hospitals are vaccinated or not. A full hospital is full regardless.

* Here, hospitalisation as % of caseload, lagged 10 days.



None of this says we're in any kind of disaster scenario, but neither are we obviously in the clear.

IMO we need to break that exponential growth of cases before any thought of further relaxation. It's very hard to know when that will happen. Could be next week, could be much later.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

What planet are you on? 20-30% less effective against symptomatic infection after one dose and a small drop off in efficacy after 2 doses IS LITERALLY A DENT!!!!

Showing you evidence of

PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL WHO HAVE BEEN JABBED

when you claim

THERE ARE NO CASES OF PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL WHO HAVE BEEN JABBED

You're even proving yourself wrong with your own evidence.

Your evidence shows 90 people required hospitalisation who were unvaccinated vs 7 people fully vaccinated. Very similar to the expected vaccine efficacy rates. If that's not enough evidence for you then I cannot help you. Good luck with your life

 

[ayrshire_blue]

A handful of fully vaccinated people requiring a hospital visit should be enough to open everything up. It’s never going to be zero let’s be honest, just like other illnesses.

We're at a handful when cases are as low as they are now.

When cases become 50,000 plus that handful will increase. To what amount, we don't entirely know.

 

[uweblue]

That's what I said. Which part am I wrong about?

Sorry I might of got the wrong end of the argument, I thought you was saying vaccines weren't as effective against the Indian variant.

Sorry. Lol

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Your evidence shows 90 people required hospitalisation who were unvaccinated vs 7 people fully vaccinated. Very similar to the expected vaccine efficacy rates. If that's not enough evidence for you then I cannot help you. Good luck with your life

Evidence of what? You said NOBODY has been hospitalised. You were wrong, please just hold your hands up because in all honesty you're making a complete arse of it.

The vaccines are brilliant. I'm 100% pro vaccine, please get vaccinated as quickly as you can and in any case do it when you're asked. I don't need evidence of vaccine efficacy to know that they're great, I read it daily. This does not equal "nobody is in hospital who's been vaccinated", which is what you said. This does not equal "variants aren't putting a dent in them" which was what you said.

At that, I'm bowing out. When you prove yourself wrong with your own evidence but still don't want to own up to it, there is no reasoning.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Yawn, yes it does. It was also mentioned on newsnight the other day. You go and research as I already know I'm right

OK, that's enough I think!

You post a claim, then post evidence which directly contradicts it, then claim you know you're right.

I'll leave you to it.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Sorry I might of got the wrong end of the argument, I thought you was saying vaccines weren't as effective against the Indian variant.

Sorry. Lol

Nah mate, no apology needed, they're extremely effective. Remarkable actually and 2 doses in particular are where we need to get to. We really need everyone to get vaccinated as quickly as possible and I can't wait to get my first dose in a couple of weeks time.

I'm only correcting Berkshire blue that the variants haven't had any impact on them (which they have), and that nobody is in hospital who's had the vaccine (which they are, even if low numbers), that was all.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Nah mate, no apology needed, they're extremely effective. Remarkable actually and 2 doses in particular are where we need to get to. We really need everyone to get vaccinated as quickly as possible and I can't wait to get my first dose in a couple of weeks time.

I'm only correcting Berkshire blue that the variants haven't had any impact on them (which they have), and that nobody is in hospital who's had the vaccine (which they are, even if low numbers), that was all.

Except they haven't had any impact