Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

Scotland data:

1 death - was 0 last week

860 cases - was 583 last week

3.4% positivity - was 2.5% last week and 1.6% the Saturday before.

Limited data now from anywhere at weekends.

 

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland data:

0 deaths - was 1 last week

95 cases - was 68 last week


Local testing occurring in Kilkeel as they fear the Delta variant has reached there and starting a spread.

So far NI have had very few (just 26 in the past month) confirmed Indian variant cases in the country.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I breached the subject briefly on the US Politics thread (perhaps not the most appropriate thread) but the jury is well and truly out IMO however it does require further investigation in so far as we need a full and thorough explanation into the origins of Covid for many good reasons least of all how to respond better to the next covid outbreak and learn from our mistakes this time around.

Fauci denied emphatically the funds from virus experimentation in Wuhan Labs came originally from the same institute funded under Obama and Trump.

There is mounting evidence this is not the case but as to Fauci's knowledge at the time the paper trail and the money trail still needs further investigation as to Fauci's knowledge and involvement.

He is on the record stating masks are ineffective and then stating the reverse months on and while this is not evidence he is corrupt he has been an influential figure in the US response to Covid.

There is little doubt Wuhan were involved in virus creation and to say it could not have leaked into the community given a number of employees reported being sick in Oct / Nov 2019 and the statements supporting a lab leak have been covered up by the CCP even to the point where the WHO suggest the lab leak deserves more scrutiny and cannot be ruled out now contrary to earlier views that is was " highly unlikely if nigh impossible " and it originated from animal to human transmission created in nature as such.

Given Fauci's connection to Wuhan it seems at least plausible that he knew more than he was letting on.

Given that many members of the CCP deny that the 1988 massacre even took place its no surprise they would deny any responsibility as to the origins of the Wuhan Flu that has strengthened their position in terms of World Power significantly.

A model of subjectivity!

 

[True_Blue69]

One of the Goverments proposals- keep people working from home but allow them to go pubs/club and mingle!

Sounds sensible to me. People only go to a club or pub at most once a week so working from home means they won’t spread it if they get it. The vast majority of those out in busy bars and clubs will be under 40 so low risk, sounds like a decent compromise for the 21st.

 

[True_Blue69]

Although SAGE reported that the average time, for hospitalised patients, between symptom onset and death was 12 days in wave 1 and 7 days in wave 2. Assuming that still holds true the Bolton hospitalisations and death data are very encouraging in suggesting that the link with cases and deaths has indeed been broken.

Shhh don’t Greek the lockdown fetishists they need to hold onto something that might keep us in lockdown.

 

[Healdplace]

Shhh don’t Greek the lockdown fetishists they need to hold onto something that might keep us in lockdown.

There surely cannot be that many people who are as you put it fetishists about lockdown?

Who wants to stay inside forever?

And if they do nobody would stop them anyway if they choose.

Sensible concerns and even fears about going out amongst the more vulnerable are perfecty understandable and they may choose to come out at a slower pace.

But I find it hard to believe large numbers of people want this to go on longer than necessary as it has already eaten a huge chunk out of the lives of most people. And a week might be a long time in poliics but a year is a huge fraction of a lifetime - especially to the over 60s.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

There surely cannot be that many people who are as you put it fetishists about lockdown?

Who wants to stay inside forever?

And if they do nobody would stop them anyway if they choose.

Sensible concerns and even fears about going out amongst the more vulnerable are perfecty understandable and they may choose to come out at a slower pace.

But I find it hard to believe large numbers of people want this to go on longer than necessary as it has already eaten a huge chunk out of the lives of most people. And a week might be a long time in poliics but a year is a huge fraction of a lifetime - especially to the over 60s.

There are no lockdown fetishists. There’s some right bollocks being spoken at the moment in here.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Second Covid-19 jabs ‘to be sped up for over 40s’ | LBC

People over the age of 40 are set to be offered their second Covid-19 jab after eight weeks instead of 12 to help keep the country on the roadmap out of lockdown.

www.lbc.co.uk

7 people hospitalised at the end of May, 0 from June at the moment. Nothing I've posted is incorrect

The fact you’re providing figures to show there are people in hospital who’ve had the vaccine shows that your statement of “Every single case of the current hospitalisations haven't had a jab” was incorrect.

 

[True_Blue69]

There surely cannot be that many people who are as you put it fetishists about lockdown?

Who wants to stay inside forever?

And if they do nobody would stop them anyway if they choose.

Sensible concerns and even fears about going out amongst the more vulnerable are perfecty understandable and they may choose to come out at a slower pace.

But I find it hard to believe large numbers of people want this to go on longer than necessary as it has already eaten a huge chunk out of the lives of most people. And a week might be a long time in poliics but a year is a huge fraction of a lifetime - especially to the over 60s.

100% some people have enjoyed the last 15 months, I’ve seen people on here say as much. Some people don’t like socialising and the opportunity to work from home and not be under pressure to go and do things with others suits them to the ground.

At the start of the pandemic when it was suggested that the vulnerable are protected by shielding and everyone else gets on with it people were called selfish. Now the vulnerable are mostly protected by a vaccine they are still saying we shouldn’t go back to normal. The majority of people who aren’t vulnerable are ready for life to go on.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

100% some people have enjoyed the last 15 months, I’ve seen people on here say as much. Some people don’t like socialising and the opportunity to work from home and not be under pressure to go and do things with others suits them to the ground.

At the start of the pandemic when it was suggested that the vulnerable are protected by shielding and everyone else gets on with it people were called selfish. Now the vulnerable are mostly protected by a vaccine they are still saying we shouldn’t go back to normal. The majority of people who aren’t vulnerable are ready for life to go on.

That first lockdown suited me, it did me some good, but I’m ready to go back to normal.

I don’t think anyone in this thread has been saying we shouldn’t relax the restrictions on or just after the 21st June if hospitalisations stay low. Nobody.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Sounds sensible to me. People only go to a club or pub at most once a week so working from home means they won’t spread it if they get it. The vast majority of those out in busy bars and clubs will be under 40 so low risk, sounds like a decent compromise for the 21st.

fair enough, just seems silly for me personally i can't go to the office but i can go clubbing and to the pub restriction free.

 

[Rammy Blue]

The fact you’re providing figures to show there are people in hospital who’ve had the vaccine shows that your statement of “Every single case of the current hospitalisations haven't had a jab” was incorrect.

Don’t feed the troll.

 

[ctwrd]

That first lockdown suited me, it did me some good, but I’m ready to go back to normal.

I don’t think anyone in this thread has been saying we shouldn’t relax the restrictions on or just after the 21st June if hospitalisations stay low. Nobody.

Ka......

 

[KennyG]

Just feels like the bomb is about to go off, cases stealthily rising, new more transmissible variants and vaccines that have limited efficacy. Come the autumn we are going to be up shit creek

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The number of people in hospital with the Covid variant now known as Delta is rising but not "very significantly," the boss of NHS Providers has said.
Chris Hopson said many of those in hospital in Bolton - the area worst hit by the variant - were younger, with "very few" fully vaccinated patients.
He said this appeared to show vaccines had "broken the chain" between infection and serious illness.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Quick question as I can’t find an exact answer.

If you’ve got covid but are 10 days since positive test and now feel fine then in theory you can go back to normal, however then your partner starts symptoms and tests positive, do you now need to start isolating again for a further 10 days or not, due to having just finished having the virus?

 

[Healdplace]

13 all settings deaths

5765 cases

Unfortunately Bolton up to 171 - highest in 8 days.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Quick question as I can’t find an exact answer.

If you’ve got covid but are 10 days since positive test and now feel fine then in theory you can go back to normal, however then your partner starts symptoms and tests positive, do you now need to start isolating again for a further 10 days or not, due to having just finished having the virus?

If you tested positive and self isolated for 10 days, you’re in the clear.

 

[Rammy Blue]

If you tested positive and self isolated for 10 days, you’re in the clear.

Show me a link proving that, as my missus’ boss reckons she’s got to stay off for another 10 days now.

edit...don’t get me wrong mate, my opinion is she doesn’t have to isolate due to just having had the virus but for the life of me I can’t find anything in black and white to prove it.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Show me a link proving that, as my missus’ boss reckons she’s got to stay off for another 10 days now.

edit...don’t get me wrong mate, my opinion is she doesn’t have to isolate due to just having had the virus but for the life of me I can’t find anything in black and white to prove it.

I suppose the real question is, why didn’t she self isolate for 10 days after you tested positive?