Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Healdplace said:
ZOE DATA:

ANOTHER BIG JUMP UNFORTUNATELY

Estimated Cases up 740 in 24 hours from 8173 to 8913

Ongoing symptomatic infections up in 24 hours of 6766 from 83, 060 to 89, 826

These numbers are not showing any real sign of slowing down.


And NORTH WEST Is back up above Scotland as the worst region in the UK. And into the dark red zone with a top end POP score of 630. The most in the UK for months.



GM DATA ON ZOE




Bury falls slightly to 8584 from 8826. Well clear as highest.


Trafford slight drop to 5984 from 6090 - though Tameside is likely above it as it has shot up by 5000 in a day into the 16,000s but with not enough local data to guarantee accuracy so as always not being counted by Zoe).

Wigan rises big to 5892 from 3781

Manchester also rises again to 5814 from 5038.

Oldham up a bit to 4426 from 4278.

Rochdale falls to 3506 from 5052

Bolton back up to 3211 from 1946 yesterday.


Only the other two boroughs are actually down below Bolton' on Zoe now.


Stockport - moves up into the second tier at 2329 from 1990 yesterday.

Salford - bafflingly still given its big numbers in real cases only just in the lowest watch zone and even falls to 1305 from 1314.

If Zoe rates the above as the two best in GM and they had 224 cases between them yesterday then let us hope they stay 'low'.
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16000 in Tameside?
 
davealvers said:
Yes rather me than you I’m quite happy with that. But then I’ve never been one for hiding under my bed and unfortunately the government seem to be doing their best to destroy the airline industry so that I can’t make my own choice anyhow.

How many cases have been linked to flights out of interest? And by that I mean actual transmission rather than somone on a flight having tested positive which could have been picked up before or after any flight. Also, we currently have thousands of fans being told to self isolate due to having been ‘in proximity’ to someone who has tested positive yet almost everyone is still testing negative themselves. It’s an absolute farce.

I assume you’ll never get on a bus or train ever again if you’re that worried?! People have lost all sense of proportion it’s mad.
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Since you ask I go on a tram and train every day, and been out and about every day since restrictions are allowed visiting pubs.

Before the pandemic I was averaging a dozen flights a year. The thought of those packed airports has put me off for now but I'll agree that's possibly psychological rather than genuine risk. Same with cinemas.

You make good points about ventilation on planes and I'm grateful for your correction.
 
unicorn said:
Since you ask I go on a tram and train every day, and been out and about every day since restrictions are allowed visiting pubs.

Before the pandemic I was averaging a dozen flights a year. The thought of those packed airports has put me off for now but I'll agree that's possibly psychological rather than genuine risk. Same with cinemas.

You make good points about ventilation on planes and I'm grateful for your correction.
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I agree with you a lot of it psychological and the government have a lot to answer for with their 'increase sense of personal fear' policy. It's quite unbelievable in fact.

The other day I was chatting to a lady who wouldn't even get a takeaway never mind visit a pub as she couldn't cope with the idea of someone else preparing food for her. She went round to her sister's the other day and it felt like a huge event to be allowing her own sister to cook for her, which is something they'd done regularly up until last year. She'd been double jabbed etc but like many other she has lost all sense of proportion wrt risk and I actually felt sorry for her. So there are various scales of fear and even you taking trams would probably seem horrendous to others. I'm ready to live as normal now and have been for a while but she was very much the other end of the spectrum and I do wonder how these people will cope when the rest of us decide to get on with life. I think once the government stop it with the psych-ops (if they ever do) then that will help but many people will be scarred for life In terms of confidence to just live.
 
frothy said:
16000 in Tameside?
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Not actually. Zoe has too few peope in the borough who know what a mobile is I gather and so they have isufficent data to be accurate. So they do not count the score as it is obviously wildly inaccurate.

Its been like this for weeks and I comment on it on the daily Zoe reports to explain why it is never part of the list.

They WERE counting these numbers for a while and I was pointing out here they were obviously wrong as Tameside was (still is) best in GM on about 2 cases a day then. Zoe soon worked that out too and stopped counting it.

Unfortunately they have the same issue in BLackburn and Burnley and Rossendale so reprt nothing there and say why. So we have no Zoe report on the areas we know must be the highest in th UK. It is their biggest failing.

Yet oddly they still post the equally dodgy Tameside number without including it in their daily count.
 
4 all settings deaths - it was 6 last week and 5 the week before.

5341 cases - it was 3240 last week and 2235 the week before

Sunday data always low recall.
 
marcus said:
Not in the shops i go in mate. I remember last summer people saying that in shops they go in 50% didnt have a mask on, it was only ever odd people in shops i went in.

same now/ just had a week in devon , might have seen odd people without a mask. Same now im back home.
id say mask wearing is still 99%
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Most wear masks but hand sanitising and trolley cleaning is now virtually non existent for most who go into shops now.
 
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NW falls by 147 day to day to 1605. Nearly 1000 over London in second on 635.

NW week to week is up 670 from 935.

GM numbers are not that bad considering.

Both Stockport and Salford drop below 100. But Wigan just creeps over at 101.

Bolton drop to 120 (up just 7 on last week) and well down on yesterdays 171.

Manchester fall 17 to 193 but that is nearly 100 up and more than double last Sunday.

Most boroughs today between Oldham - lowest on 42 - and Salford - highest outside of Manchester, Bolton and Wigan - on 83 (well down on 122 yesterday).

So GM day to day down by 105 of the NW fall of 147 - well over the expected 50% so good news.

And up week to week by 295 of the NW increase of 670 - which again is well under 50% so more good news.

All in all a better day today. But mostly because the outbreak of increased cases has spread across the NW map. So covers many more locations outside of GM up a bit in recent days.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Not on cases it isn't.
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The Sunday cases are often lower by a bit than the day before and after.

Last few weeks Mon/ Sun / Sat (Sunday in the middle)


?????? - 5341 -5765

3383 - 3240 - 3398

2439 - 2235 - 2694

1979 - 1926 - 2027

2357 - 1770 - 2047


So IF that trend follows it will rise a bit tomorrow.

If it falls again it will be pretty good news.

As obviously this is not a universal truth and when cases are going up or going down will impact the way this works sometimes and reverse the pattern to a degree.

The numbers are also impacted a little artificially partly because on Saturday Wales do not report numbers. On Sunday they do but give Friday data (not Saturday). And on Monday they report two days (both Saturday and Sunday) data.
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
Well, first I'd disagree with that: people's health and wellbeing is the most important thing to me.

And second, the very worst thing we can possibly do for the economy is facilitate a major new wave.
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The 2 things are inextricably linked. People having no jobs, increased poverty and reduced life chances will massively affect people’s health and well being. You seem to have fallen into the trap of thinking existing is exactly the same as living, which it obviously isn’t.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
The 2 things are inextricably linked. People having no jobs, increased poverty and reduced life chances will massively affect people’s health and well being. You seem to have fallen into the trap of thinking existing is exactly the same as living, which it obviously isn’t.
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You seem to have fallen into the trap of thinking that the economy will do better if we let COVID rip.
 
Doubling time less than two weeks currently for cases; all expectation is that hospitalizations will follow the same trend.

Further relaxation expected to accelerate this, to even shorter times, against which more vaccinations every day and summer weather help us.

Unless there is radical change in the coming week there's no way we should be doing anything 21st IMO.

 
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