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Fear mongering I haven't seen. We're simply trying to go through the facts. It might not be enough to change your point of view, and that's fine. Your opinion is yours and that's how it goes. It's far too easy however to just ignore and pretend things aren't the way they are. We did that in September, and last year. Always the cry comes back - fear mongering! Worst case scenarios! But it doesn't change the predictable nature of disease and the outcomes. It doesn't change reality.I'm sorry but I disagree with you. Yes, there are people who can't have the vaccine. My sympathies are with them. Should we hamper our economy and reduce everyone else's freedoms to cater for them? Unfortunately for them, no. We are always going to have COVID now. There's nothing we can do about it, so other than vaccinating as many people who can and want to be vaccinated, we may as well crack on and these people will have to be more careful than the rest of us.
But the hospitals are under minimal stress with COVID currently. There are fewer COVID patients in hospital than there are hospitals in the UK.
At the height of the pandemic, we coped with 40k COVID patients. >1k patients in hospital with COVID is ultimately negligible and our health service has dealt with much higher numbers of flu patients for decades. With the vaccine rollout, it's unlikely we'll get anywhere near 20k patients at one time, never mind 40k again.
It's all fear-mongering, what-ifs and worst-case scenarios. We need to have a bit of courage and stop letting COVID control every aspect of our lives now.
It's basically people's lives, for me. Their right to continue to live. That, Vs what usually is an attitude of 'Not wanting to be told what to do anymore by busybodies'.
Unless you recognise that, recognise the cost of what you're saying should happen, you're a moral farce. If you do add it up, and still say that's what should happen - then you're a man, with an unshakeable belief.
Stop pushing it away. It's not that scary. When making predictions, we calculate a range of scenarios. The worst case has to be understood. What is usually referred to as 'the worst case' isn't anything like the worst case they can imagine, it's just a bad case. People are very rarely making things up, but people on all sides make mistakes and push their voice a little to hard. Some do latch on to every negative rather easily. Sometimes people will seek to use fear to convince people like you. This is all normal.
You're expected to see through that, and still look at the likely range of outcomes, and not tell yourself that it's someone else, it's people who deserve it. Or that vulnerable people can just take care of themselves, because it's never been the case, everyone's life relies on other people, everyone is connected together eventually by their contacts and spaces. That's why things have gone the way they have. That's the basic of understanding epidemiology.
Otherwise, we wouldn't be here, still. You're expected to look at what happened in December, and at the start of last year, and figure out what you've learned.
Because the only way out is to act proactively, to take the right measures early - otherwise it just comes back on us, like, we end up in lockdown for about 6 months, having waved away EVERYTHING in the second half of last year. I wanted to be out of this a lot earlier. I really did. That's why I supported the circuit breaker last year. Or anything. Because the longer we left it, the longer the eventual 'cure' would involve punitive measures.
We've made the same mistake twice now - ignored it and pretend that it will go away. And then at the last possible minute, taken drastic action. How many times? This isn't going away. If you just believe there is nothing more, then do us all a favour, tell us that, but stop telling us that people will be okay, it won't affect anyone who doesn't deserve it, because that's a cowards way out. Stand up for what you believe in - but don't keep telling us there's no cost, because we know it's not true, and it makes you look like a coward who can't face the truth. If nothing will change your mind, so be it. But that means you have to look at it all anyway, rather than just pretend that it is all just someone else's preference to make you scared. Because it isn't - it's your preference not face very sad facts, that in all likelyhood won't change your mind. But you're scared they will. And that's what people do - they don't want to change their mind on important issues. They don't want to later decide they feel differently, or that their priorities change. Adults, honestly, I believe all adults should have the ability to know this and deal with it. Look at it. Stop burying your head in the sand. We sell ourselves, our friends, and our country short when we take the easy way and suck our thumbs. If you believe in something, then remind yourself of that, when facing a fact that doesn't fit. Don't start spreading it around that the fact is a lie.

