It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

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I understand why people should justify why they don't take to a certain City player.

For me, you have sugar-coated it to the extent because we all know Pep and a lot of Blues consider him a top player.

I don't consider him any better than Javi Garcia or Fernando in many aspects, which is criminal for the money we paid.

Perhaps it was because I was simply under the misapprehension he was Fern's long-term replacement?

He's not fit enough to wipe his arse at 36, never mind a peak Fern.

But who is, that's the real problem?

Sometimes I look at Rodders and think there is something great waiting to burst from its box, certainly when I saw him maul Burnley away the season before last.

That night, even De Jong said it was one of the most complete showings from a defensive midfielder he had seen.

Sadly, it was against Burnley, and we haven't seen much like it since.
Sorry TH but Rodri is way above the levels of those players.

He has been a mainstay of our team for more than 90% of the season and only lost form in the last couple of weeks which led to him being dropped for the 2nd leg of the UCL semifinal and final.
 
Pep also signed Xabi Alonso at Bayern, who had no issue with the pace of the English league, mainly because it's not actually any faster than any other league as is lazily suggested. Sure, some individual teams in England have a lot of pace, but that's true of any country.

Pep wanted Jorginho before he got Rodri. The Jorginho that just won the Champions League Final despite his lack of pace. Rodri would have absolutely flourished next to Kanté and in front of a back three too.

The fact is we attack with a lot of players ahead of the ball and if we get caught out we get exposed, that has always been the case. But check our goals against column and it really doesn't look any different whether Rodri, Fernandinho or anyone else plays that role.
Also, you get statements about Rodri's lack of pace, but how many 6ft3 DMs do you see covering every blade of grass?

He's a big lad. His size has been very PL useful. He's good on setpieces defensively, and he normally is very good at bouncing players off of the ball.

In fact, people talk about him being knocked off the ball and giving away under pressure (which has definitely happened), but they seem to ignore the fact he's statistically right at the top for PL midfielders playing passes under pressure and I've seen him multiple times a game overpower someone. If anything he's tailor made for the PL.
 
Sorry TH but Rodri is way above the levels of those players.

He has been a mainstay of our team for more than 90% of the season and only lost form in the last couple of weeks which led to him being dropped for the 2nd leg of the UCL semifinal and final.
Form? It’s a champions league final! Fuck form you play the best players available and pep decided NOT to go with Rodri as DM.
 
Sorry TH but Rodri is way above the levels of those players.

He has been a mainstay of our team for more than 90% of the season and only lost form in the last couple of weeks which led to him being dropped for the 2nd leg of the UCL semifinal and final.
That makes no sense as,instead,he included the most out of form player in our squad,and one who also had the added effect of destroying our balance and shape.
 
Sorry TH but Rodri is way above the levels of those players.

He has been a mainstay of our team for more than 90% of the season and only lost form in the last couple of weeks which led to him being dropped for the 2nd leg of the UCL semifinal and final.
Rodri holds on to the ball to long and then gets jumped on , losing position of the ball.
Opposing teams know this and now target him, that's why he's was dropped.
Up to him to sense danger quicker and get rid of ball.
 
Probably! But both of those players were also capable of decent one-off games.

Both also won Prem titles?
Garcia did in 13/14. But toure carried him and a lot of the team to that title.

Fernando signed the following summer and stayed for 3 years without winning the title. We won centurions in 17/18 the year he left.

They were both average players and were the tip of the iceberg of our poor recruitment in those 12/13, 13/14, 14/15 years that also included:
Rodwell
Nastasic
Sinclair
Maicon
Jovetic
Navas
Demichelis
Mangala
Bony

Thankfully we’ve improved significantly since!!
 
Also, you get statements about Rodri's lack of pace, but how many 6ft3 DMs do you see covering every blade of grass?

He's a big lad. His size has been very PL useful. He's good on setpieces defensively, and he normally is very good at bouncing players off of the ball.

In fact, people talk about him being knocked off the ball and giving away under pressure (which has definitely happened), but they seem to ignore the fact he's statistically right at the top for PL midfielders playing passes under pressure and I've seen him multiple times a game overpower someone. If anything he's tailor made for the PL.

Rodri has struggled sometimes with concentration, and with expecting to get decisions from referees that weren't forthcoming. Both of those things can and should be worked on.

His one major weakness is getting caught the wrong side of the ball and not being able to recover quickly. That is absolutely a weakness, one that he wouldn't have if he played 30 yards closer to his own goal like he did for Simeone. But this is a Pep team so Rodri is camped out 10 yards from the edge of the opponent's box, hovering up clearances and recycling the ball.

Our winning run saw Cancelo's purple patch of form coinciding with Rodri's, as Cancelo's role as an inverted fullback provided additional cover in midfield, just as Delph/Zinchenko have done previously for Fernandinho and Gündy in similar winning runs. It's often more a matter of getting numbers in the right places than it is any one individual's particular attributes.
 
Garcia did in 13/14. But toure carried him and a lot of the team to that title.

Fernando signed the following summer and stayed for 3 years without winning the title. We won centurions in 17/18 the year he left.

They were both average players and were the tip of the iceberg of our poor recruitment in those 12/13, 13/14, 14/15 years that also included:
Rodwell
Nastasic
Sinclair
Maicon
Jovetic
Navas
Demichelis
Mangala
Bony

Thankfully we’ve improved significantly since!!

I maintain Navas was a decent squad player for £15M. The rest makes pretty bleak reading though
 
Why has this thread been taken over by people who clearly do not watch games, nor witness the fact that in many, Rodri has been the dominant midfielder thus leading most of the PL's stats on interceptions, headers won, passes completed, and so on? It remains a stain on this club's fanbase that we seem to castigate certain players while completely ignoring the negatives in others.
 
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I see Rodri is being groomed as our next scapegoat. Lovely stuff.
Has been since he first came. Cheerleaders shouted "slow", "only passes backwards", "can't defend", "can't pass forwards","awkward", "easily knocked off the ball" etc. etc. etc. and some sheep all said "Baa Baa" and tried to pull the wool over our eyes. Pep wasn't fooled , he saw the quality, but the sheep can't get the wool out of their eyes, their loss.
 
Garcia did in 13/14. But toure carried him and a lot of the team to that title.

Fernando signed the following summer and stayed for 3 years without winning the title. We won centurions in 17/18 the year he left.

They were both average players and were the tip of the iceberg of our poor recruitment in those 12/13, 13/14, 14/15 years that also included:
Rodwell
Nastasic
Sinclair
Maicon
Jovetic
Navas
Demichelis
Mangala
Bony

Thankfully we’ve improved significantly since!!
Demechelis and Navas were both decent signings. Apart from that doubt there’s a club around that couldn’t produce a similar or worse list for signings. Its how it is.
 
Form? It’s a champions league final! Fuck form you play the best players available and pep decided NOT to go with Rodri as DM.
What are you on about?

He didn't play him because he had lost form. If he hadn't I am sure he would have played him, just like he did for most of the season.
 
That makes no sense as,instead,he included the most out of form player in our squad,and one who also had the added effect of destroying our balance and shape.
Playing Raheem did make no sense. If he didn't rate Rodri then he wouldn't have played in all those games that we went unbeaten.
 
What are you on about?

He didn't play him because he had lost form. If he hadn't I am sure he would have played him, just like he did for most of the season.
Then Sterling shouldn’t have been anywhere near the first team, if form is a factor.
 
Sorry TH but Rodri is way above the levels of those players.

He has been a mainstay of our team for more than 90% of the season and only lost form in the last couple of weeks which led to him being dropped for the 2nd leg of the UCL semifinal and final.
Not true, Rodri got bummed v Liecester H 2-5
Spurs H 0-2
UTD H 0-2
Liverpool H 1-1
Chelsea H 1-2
Chelsea FA cup 0-1

Over 2 seasons imo we don't have the player who will spend 5-8 years at the club but you never know
 
Rodri holds on to the ball to long and then gets jumped on , losing position of the ball.
Opposing teams know this and now target him, that's why he's was dropped.
Up to him to sense danger quicker and get rid of ball.
He does at times, but most of the time he is the one that begins the passing from the back. It's this ability that had Pep playing him all through our unbeaten run
 
Playing Raheem did make no sense. If he didn't rate Rodri then he wouldn't have played in all those games that we went unbeaten.
Of course Pep rates him,he may not have been at his best in the final,but we would have been a damn site more solid and cohesive with him (or Dinho) in the side.Only Pep knows why he chose that moment to get creative.
 
Then Sterling shouldn’t have been anywhere near the first team, if form is a factor.
I agree with you that in regards with Raheem in this particular game. However, if form isn't a factor why was he dropped in favour of Phil?
 
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