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Next Manager after Pep
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I’m sorry but i think what Mancini achieved was more difficult to do than what Pep has achieved.
He joined a club that was struggling to match the owner’s ambitions, took us out of the shadows and to the top domestically at a time when the competition was very strong, very local and very vocal. He signed players that became legends and the basis for a decade of success. I think the difficulty of breaking the hold that the Rags has on everything cannot be underestimated. Had we also got Van Persie then who knows.
Don’t get me wrong the current position of the club is wonderful, but without Mancini and his signings we wouldn’t be here now. I think that that shift in the clubs stature, mentally etc. was arguably more difficult to achieve.
Name me one single player that Pep has signed who is better than Yaya, David Silva or Sergio?
Which manager do the dippers most revere? It’s Shankley. He didn’t win them most trophies and didn’t win a European Cup, but what he did was transform the club.
In my opinion, until we win the CL, Pep won’t have taken the club further forward than Mancini did in his spell, relative to when they joined. And RM had a tougher job.
Italy have just gone 28 games unbeaten. The last time they did that was the 1930s. He’s no mug.
He joined a club that was struggling to match the owner’s ambitions, took us out of the shadows and to the top domestically at a time when the competition was very strong, very local and very vocal. He signed players that became legends and the basis for a decade of success. I think the difficulty of breaking the hold that the Rags has on everything cannot be underestimated. Had we also got Van Persie then who knows.
Don’t get me wrong the current position of the club is wonderful, but without Mancini and his signings we wouldn’t be here now. I think that that shift in the clubs stature, mentally etc. was arguably more difficult to achieve.
Name me one single player that Pep has signed who is better than Yaya, David Silva or Sergio?
Which manager do the dippers most revere? It’s Shankley. He didn’t win them most trophies and didn’t win a European Cup, but what he did was transform the club.
In my opinion, until we win the CL, Pep won’t have taken the club further forward than Mancini did in his spell, relative to when they joined. And RM had a tougher job.
Italy have just gone 28 games unbeaten. The last time they did that was the 1930s. He’s no mug.
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I’ve never heard Kompany’s views on tactics once, how on Earth he’d be in anyone’s top fifty would be bizarre, he might not even want to be a coach
He must want to be a coach because he is one
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There are some serious loyal people to Mancini, borderline obsessive. Even read earlier Pep has been backed, like Mancini wasn’t. Christ. Never will be forgotten what Mancini provided us however to not accept our current manager, team and playing style is light years ahead of anything under Mancini is moronic.
really don’t know where we go from Pep, everything else will be a downgrade.
really don’t know where we go from Pep, everything else will be a downgrade.
Kompany and Fernandinho look management material to me. Tactics men (or women) can be No 2s, or part of the coaching staff.
In years gone by football management was often about partnerships...
Clough and Taylor, Mercer and Allison. I don't think Fergie was great at tactics. He had a few no 2s e.g. Queiroz. Maybe the No.2 isn't always a tactician but football tactics really can't be that difficult. The human qualities of leading a group is surely more demanding?
In years gone by football management was often about partnerships...
Clough and Taylor, Mercer and Allison. I don't think Fergie was great at tactics. He had a few no 2s e.g. Queiroz. Maybe the No.2 isn't always a tactician but football tactics really can't be that difficult. The human qualities of leading a group is surely more demanding?
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Think we will get an old school manager with a proven record to steady the ship and possibly deliver a champs league for a season or two, Ancelotti maybe before a younger promising manager comes in, who will be billed as the 'next Pep'. But its probably all down hill from that point, even if we are winning stuff, it won't get any better than now.
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I’d hate to see what the cunts would have won had Ferguson been good at tacticsKompany and Fernandinho look management material to me. Tactics men (or women) can be No 2s, or part of the coaching staff.
In years gone by football management was often about partnerships...
Clough and Taylor, Mercer and Allison. I don't think Fergie was great at tactics. He had a few no 2s e.g. Queiroz. Maybe the No.2 isn't always a tactician but football tactics really can't be that difficult. The human qualities of leading a group is surely more demanding?
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Not looking for Pep to go until he wants but when he does, bring Bobby home. I love that man. He's brought my best ever days as a City fan, first trophy, the sick Swan and the greatest moment in PL history.
Think there's absolutely zero chance of Mancini ever returning! No idea who we'll go for when Pep eventually leaves, but presume it will be someone who shares his football philosophy. Doubt we'll see a radical departure from our current style of play.
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Think there's absolutely zero chance of Mancini ever returning! No idea who we'll go for when Pep eventually leaves, but presume it will be someone who shares his football philosophy. Doubt we'll see a radical departure from our current style of play.
Rumour has it Nagelsman had a buy out put into his Bayern contract because he wants to be able to succeed Pep without too much trouble.
Interesting. He'd certainly be a strong candidate. Guess it would depend on when Pep leaves though. I'd be surprised if Nagelsmann was looking to leave Bayern after only a couple of years.Rumour has it Nagelsman had a buy out put into his Bayern contract because he wants to be able to succeed Pep without too much trouble.
Well last season we won fewer games, got fewer points and scored fewer goals and had a worse GD than in the 2012 season, so I’m not sure how you’re measuring the team as being light years ahead.There are some serious loyal people to Mancini, borderline obsessive. Even read earlier Pep has been backed, like Mancini wasn’t. Christ. Never will be forgotten what Mancini provided us however to not accept our current manager, team and playing style is light years ahead of anything under Mancini is moronic.
really don’t know where we go from Pep, everything else will be a downgrade.
Take a team of Pep only signings and against a team of RM’s and I reckon RMs would win...
Pep has done phenomenally well.
The point I’m making is that Mancini achieved was far harder to do.
RM wouldn’t have pulled a stunt like that in the CL I’m sure of that. He wouldn’t have dropped Yaya.
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Interesting. He'd certainly be a strong candidate. Guess it would depend on when Pep leaves though. I'd be surprised if Nagelsmann was looking to leave Bayern after only a couple of years.
Guess it depends upon how they do, but it's a flat track for him. If he wins the next 2 bundesligas and goes far in a CL, it could be enough IMO. Certainly he has the same strong ambition to come and coach in the PL that Pep had.
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The stoned corpse.
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Maybe he wouldn’t have dropped that level of clanger pep did, I’m highly critical of it. Rich saying Mancini wouldn’t have pulled that stunt, he got us nowhere near a knock out game let alone a final.Well last season we won fewer games, got fewer points and scored fewer goals and had a worse GD than in the 2012 season, so I’m not sure how you’re measuring the team as being light years ahead.
Take a team of Pep only signings and against a team of RM’s and I reckon RMs would win...
Pep has done phenomenally well.
The point I’m making is that Mancini achieved was far harder to do.
RM wouldn’t have pulled a stunt like that in the CL I’m sure of that. He wouldn’t have dropped Yaya.
We now play better football, win a lot more trophies yet people still cling to Mancini. Winning that fa cup was amazing. Let’s not forget united aside we had the easiest run to winning that cup. We then won the league as united crumbled, 8 points with 6 games to go. Pressure off us after we fluffed our own lines, a monumental collapse on the rags side lead us to take advantage.
You’ve compared a Covid season which resulted in the league won, league cup won, fa cup semi finalists and champions league runners up and still believe Mancini team and season was better. Compare both their first titles then come back to me, then compare their careers and come back to me, when Pep leaves and we win an awful lot less whoever is in charge, then come back to me ;)
dowty
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Kenny Jackett all day long.
bluestreak
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Perhaps we should invite the "Professor" to take the helm. He had a penchant for intricate football and was an experienced expert on financial doping.;-)
Maybe he wouldn’t have dropped that level of clanger pep did, I’m highly critical of it. Rich saying Mancini wouldn’t have pulled that stunt, he got us nowhere near a knock out game let alone a final.
We now play better football, win a lot more trophies yet people still cling to Mancini. Winning that fa cup was amazing. Let’s not forget united aside we had the easiest run to winning that cup. We then won the league as united crumbled, 8 points with 6 games to go. Pressure off us after we fluffed our own lines, a monumental collapse on the rags side lead us to take advantage.
You’ve compared a Covid season which resulted in the league won, league cup won, fa cup semi finalists and champions league runners up and still believe Mancini team and season was better. Compare both their first titles then come back to me, then compare their careers and come back to me, when Pep leaves and we win an awful lot less whoever is in charge, then come back to me ;)
Maybe he wouldn’t have dropped that level of clanger pep did, I’m highly critical of it. Rich saying Mancini wouldn’t have pulled that stunt, he got us nowhere near a knock out game let alone a final.
We now play better football, win a lot more trophies yet people still cling to Mancini. Winning that fa cup was amazing. Let’s not forget united aside we had the easiest run to winning that cup. We then won the league as united crumbled, 8 points with 6 games to go. Pressure off us after we fluffed our own lines, a monumental collapse on the rags side lead us to take advantage.
You’ve compared a Covid season which resulted in the league won, league cup won, fa cup semi finalists and champions league runners up and still believe Mancini team and season was better. Compare both their first titles then come back to me, then compare their careers and come back to me, when Pep leaves and we win an awful lot less whoever is in charge, then come
Pep came to a club that had won two titles and has advanced it that’s undeniable and he’s broken records along the way.
I think RM’s achievement in winning the Cup and the title from the base the club was at when he joined was bigger achievement.
As I said previously, who do the dippers hold in highest regard, Shankley or Paisley?
Seb Coe ran quicker than Roger Bannister. Breaking the 4 minute mile was arguably the greater achievement...
RACHACE
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Pep is with us for at least another 2 seasons and it wouldn't surprise me if he extends his stay with us. Personally I expect him to be with us for another 5 seasons and by the time that 5 years is up a hell of a lot will have changed. There will be many candidates that we've not considered to replace him.
I'd welcome Mancini back with open arms but thankfully I don't make those decisions because if it was to happen, it'd probably backfire and tarnish his legacy and nobody wants that. He was fantastic for us at that time but going back isn't something our decision makers are likely to do so I can't see that happening.
It'll be very interesting to see what Fernandinho does when he hangs his boots up. I like the thought of him and maybe a few of the legends taking up coaching roles with the strategy being that they slip into the shoes of the current coaching staff once it's decided that a change is needed/wanted. However maybe that's way too romantic.
When Pep leaves it's a potential nightmare for whoever replaces him. I'm not excited by that prospect whatsoever and I'm certainly going to enjoy this period with Pep at the helm as much as I can and not allow myself to think about him leaving too much. We've already lost the opportunity to enjoy him being our boss for over a full season because of covid 19 and despite his questionable team selection and tactics in the last 2 Champions League campaigns, he's by far the best manager around. We're without doubt going to win more trophies with him.
I'd welcome Mancini back with open arms but thankfully I don't make those decisions because if it was to happen, it'd probably backfire and tarnish his legacy and nobody wants that. He was fantastic for us at that time but going back isn't something our decision makers are likely to do so I can't see that happening.
It'll be very interesting to see what Fernandinho does when he hangs his boots up. I like the thought of him and maybe a few of the legends taking up coaching roles with the strategy being that they slip into the shoes of the current coaching staff once it's decided that a change is needed/wanted. However maybe that's way too romantic.
When Pep leaves it's a potential nightmare for whoever replaces him. I'm not excited by that prospect whatsoever and I'm certainly going to enjoy this period with Pep at the helm as much as I can and not allow myself to think about him leaving too much. We've already lost the opportunity to enjoy him being our boss for over a full season because of covid 19 and despite his questionable team selection and tactics in the last 2 Champions League campaigns, he's by far the best manager around. We're without doubt going to win more trophies with him.
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