Next Manager after Pep

[RACHACE]

Rumour has it Nagelsman had a buy out put into his Bayern contract because he wants to be able to succeed Pep without too much trouble.

Can't see Bayern Munich accepting that.

 

[BillyShears]

Can't see Bayern Munich accepting that.

Nagelsman has a top agent and Bayern were absolutely desperate for him. I suspect he wrote his own cheque.

 

[Bluesince88]

Pep came to a club that had won two titles and has advanced it that’s undeniable and he’s broken records along the way.

I think RM’s achievement in winning the Cup and the title from the base the club was at when he joined was bigger achievement.

As I said previously, who do the dippers hold in highest regard, Shankley or Paisley?

Seb Coe ran quicker than Roger Bannister. Breaking the 4 minute mile was arguably the greater achievement...

Your Mancini loyalty is admirable. Don’t know how you can ignore the complete difference in playing styles and how unreal we play our football. I’m repeating myself but we are playing better football and winning more trophies without everyone fighting at the training ground most weeks. The irony is lost on you criticising losing a champions league final whilst lauding a manager who’s European record was nothing short of abysmal.

 

[decmancity]

Can't see Bayern Munich accepting that.

Why not?

Bayern don't need a mastermind there to win the domestic trophies, if Nagelsmann doesn't deliver the CL he will be chopped anyway. May as well let someone come in and 'buy' him if needed.

 

[RACHACE]

Nagelsman has a top agent and Bayern were absolutely desperate for him. I suspect he wrote his own cheque.

Maybe but having a clause in the contract to succeed Pep if the opportunity presented itself is basically telling the hierarchy at Germanys biggest club that Manchester City are where I really want to be.

Taking into consideration that Pep only has a contract until 2023, it would seem a bit short term for Bayern to appoint Nagelsman with that clause in place. They're also on the same level as them lot in Salford in the arrogance stakes. I'd be very surprised if that clause was in place.

Not saying it isn't mate, I'd just be very surprised.
Our press would be relentless with their questioning if it was Pep having a clause in his contract like that. Maybe the German press will push Nagelsman a little on it next season.

 

[BillyShears]

Maybe but having a clause in the contract to succeed Pep if the opportunity presented itself is basically telling the hierarchy at Germanys biggest club that Manchester City are where I really want to be.

Taking into consideration that Pep only has a contract until 2023, it would seem a bit short term for Bayern to appoint Nagelsman with that clause in place. They're also on the same level as them lot in Salford in the arrogance stakes. I'd be very surprised if that clause was in place.

Not saying it isn't mate, I'd just be very surprised.
Our press would be relentless with their questioning if it was Pep having a clause in his contract like that. Maybe the German press will push Nagelsman a little on it next season.

I hear you. If there is one, it'll be silly money for a coach.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Maybe he wouldn’t have dropped that level of clanger pep did, I’m highly critical of it. Rich saying Mancini wouldn’t have pulled that stunt, he got us nowhere near a knock out game let alone a final.

We now play better football, win a lot more trophies yet people still cling to Mancini. Winning that fa cup was amazing. Let’s not forget united aside we had the easiest run to winning that cup. We then won the league as united crumbled, 8 points with 6 games to go. Pressure off us after we fluffed our own lines, a monumental collapse on the rags side lead us to take advantage.

You’ve compared a Covid season which resulted in the league won, league cup won, fa cup semi finalists and champions league runners up and still believe Mancini team and season was better. Compare both their first titles then come back to me, then compare their careers and come back to me, when Pep leaves and we win an awful lot less whoever is in charge, then come back to me ;)

Pep is in another league to Mancini.

 

[OB1]

Fortunately not many but they are out there.

And they all still kiss their Mancini posters before they go to bed.

It's very tiresome and I wish people could let go and not let it cloud their judgement. I was one of the people who wanted Mancini at our club before he was even linked; it's a fairly short list of its type but I can put Merlin and Kun on it but they are all gone and they ain't coming back so you have to move on and try to be objective about what comes next.

No one should denigrate Mancini's achievements at City and no one since perhaps Big Mal has represented this club as manager in such an impactful way.

Bobby is a very good manger, as he is showing again with Italy, but City parted company with him for good reason and now have someone who, quite possibly, one day will be widely acknowledged as the sport's GOAT; there is zero chance that Mancini will be afforded that tribute. And quite simply for me, that is why City need to keep Pep as long as possible.

Whoever succeeds Pep will not be as good but he can still be very successful; not least because he may inherit a great and relatively young team schooled in positional play. That means the next manager probably needs to be one of those guys who follows that discipline or something very similar.

That's why Enrique is a possible. I think Nagelsmann is a good bet and, laugh all you like, I still think Brenda might get the job but plenty can change in the intervening period.

 

[domalino]

Interesting. He'd certainly be a strong candidate. Guess it would depend on when Pep leaves though. I'd be surprised if Nagelsmann was looking to leave Bayern after only a couple of years.

Worth pointing out Bayern managers never last long.

Going back from present -

Flick - 18 months
Kovac - 18 months
Ancelotti - 12 months
Pep - 3 years
Heynckes - 2 years
Van Gaal - 2 years
Klinsmann - 1 year
Hitzfeld - 14 months
Magath - 2 1/2 years

So him leaving after a couple of seasons would be par for the course. I don't think it's a great place to work - both Pep and Flick got tired of the upper management poking their nose into everything, demanding meetings with the manager and mouthing off in the press. Pep Confidential paints the picture that the only likeable person in the club hierarchy is Uli Hoeness, and he's gone now.

 

[AndyP68]

Your Mancini loyalty is admirable. Don’t know how you can ignore the complete difference in playing styles and how unreal we play our football. I’m repeating myself but we are playing better football and winning more trophies without everyone fighting at the training ground most weeks. The irony is lost on you criticising losing a champions league final whilst lauding a manager who’s European record was nothing short of abysmal.

Winning that first cup and first title in the circumstances was, in my opinion, a harder thing to do than take a very good team and established team and make it better.

Knocking United off their perch while they were still qualifying for CL finals.

Yaya, Silva, Aguero, three of the four greatest players in the last decade all signed by RM. Without them we wouldn’t have won the last three titles.

Pep’s broken records sure, but he wasn’t exactly starting from scratch was he. In that respect, RM’s achievement is greater.

 

[AndyP68]

And they all still kiss their Mancini posters before they go to bed.

It's very tiresome and I wish people could let go and not let it cloud their judgement. I was one of the people who wanted Mancini at our club before he was even linked; it's a fairly short list of its type but I can put Merlin and Kun on it but they are all gone and they ain't coming back so you have to move on and try to be objective about what comes next.

No one should denigrate Mancini's achievements at City and no one since perhaps Big Mal has represented this club as manager in such an impactful way.

Bobby is a very good manger, as he is showing again with Italy, but City parted company with him for good reason and now have someone who, quite possibly, one day will be widely acknowledged as the sport's GOAT; there is zero chance that Mancini will be afforded that tribute. And quite simply for me, that is why City need to keep Pep as long as possible.

Whoever succeeds Pep will not be as good but he can still be very successful; not least because he may inherit a great and relatively young team schooled in positional play. That means the next manager probably needs to be one of those guys who follows that discipline or something very similar.

That's why Enrique is a possible. I think Nagelsmann is a good bet and, laugh all you like, I still think Brenda might get the job but plenty can change in the intervening period.

If he wins us the CL he’ll be viewed as GOAT

 

[Bluesince88]

Winning that first cup and first title in the circumstances was, in my opinion, a harder thing to do than take a very good team and established team and make it better.

Knocking United off their perch while they were still qualifying for CL finals.

Yaya, Silva, Aguero, three of the four greatest players in the last decade all signed by RM. Without them we wouldn’t have won the last three titles.

Pep’s broken records sure, but he wasn’t exactly starting from scratch was he. In that respect, RM’s achievement is greater.

Knocking United off their perch? He got sacked as they was crowned champions.

 

[AndyP68]

Knocking United off their perch? He got sacked as they was crowned champions.

Had we got Van Persie it would have been us. Mancini took us out from their shadows and they’ve never been the same since.

Until Pep wins the CL all he will have done is win the same competitions as Mancini but starting from a much easier position.

Pep said himself winning (under Mancini) the first one was the hardest of all and set the club up. Ie without RM nothing else would have followed.

Same as Liverpool with Shankley.

I hope Pep stays for another five years and wins us the CL.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Had we got Van Persie it would have been us. Mancini took us out from their shadows and they’ve never been the same since.

Until Pep wins the CL all he will have done is win the same competitions as Mancini but starting from a much easier position.

? The records we have set mean nothing? The b2b titles, carrier bag cup 4 times on the bounce, CL final? The vastly improved value of the club and team... All equates to the same as Mancini? Centurions, fourmidables, best PL points/goals???

"LOL"

 

[Bluesince88]

? The records we have set mean nothing? The b2b titles, carrier bag cup 4 times on the bounce, CL final? The vastly improved value of the club and team... All equates to the same as Mancini? Centurions, fourmidables, best PL points/goals???

"LOL"

It’s a lost cause mate. I get his point but it try’s to down value everything we have under Pep, whilst still ignoring the huge difference in playing styles on top of everything you mentioned above. He sees it as a title for a title instead of looking further.

 

[Phil1]

? The records we have set mean nothing? The b2b titles, carrier bag cup 4 times on the bounce, CL final? The vastly improved value of the club and team... All equates to the same as Mancini? Centurions, fourmidables, best PL points/goals???

"LOL"

Mancini telling ferguson to be quiet on the sidelines tops all of Peps achievement in some people’s eyes.
Apparently he got us whilst Pep is just hanging about until he gets the nod to go back to Barcelona.
That’s my guess anyway because nobody would be daft enough to think the actual football side under Mancini was an improvement on what we’ve seen recently.
In fact, there are plenty daft enough actually..

 

[Bluesince88]

Mancini telling ferguson to be quiet on the sidelines tops all of Peps achievement in some people’s eyes.
Apparently he got us whilst Pep is just hanging about until he gets the nod to go back to Barcelona.
That’s my guess anyway because nobody would be daft enough to think the actual football side under Mancini was an improvement on what we’ve seen recently.
In fact, there are plenty daft enough actually..

It’s mad they have that opinion when I think Pep does get us. How he speaks of legends of our club who he will of known little of before educating himself. Speaking of Maine Road previously and tributes to our past. As you say many have a hard on for him giving it Ferguson

 

[OB1]

It’s mad they have that opinion when I think Pep does get us. How he speaks of legends of our club who he will of known little of before educating himself. Speaking of Maine Road previously and tributes to our past. As you say many have a hard on for him giving it Ferguson

Oh there's a lot of nonsense spoke about Pep. Of course he gets us; just as much as any manager; apart perhaps from one who is a local. Pep though isn't here to play to the gallery: he's here to play beautiful football and win football matches doing it. He makes the decisions he thinks are best for the team not the ones he thinks supporters will like. I hope whoever follows him does the same and with a similar level of success.

 

[franksinatra]

Sarri, Tuchel, Fonseca, Rodgers are the most likely at this moment in time but as stated previously 3 years is along time and others will usurp those possibilities.

Just noticed my own post from June 2018. Fair to say Sarri stocks fallen after his move to Chelsea, Fonseca looks like he win end up at Spurs. Rodgers and Tuchel stock has risen, especially the latter sadly. Be interesting to see in two years who are the most likely prospects then.

 

[Maldeika]

Nagelsman has a top agent and Bayern were absolutely desperate for him. I suspect he wrote his own cheque.

Nagelsmann is desperately waiting for and working for that Bayern job for years. He will earn enough during his period for Bayern and his agent for sure has worked on that - but I do not think that was very important...



I do not have this clip in English - but it is from 2017 when he was still working for Hoffenheim where he tells that he is lucky but he would be a lot luckier working for Bayern as Bayern Munich is his club since childhood, he comes of the area, he was building his house at this time in Munich where his family lives since then etc.

I would not build on Nagelsmann in the future either - it is open knowledge that he does not dream of working as coach until his retirement but wants to leave football business in some years and do something different.