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BlueAnorak said:
It certainly does. More importantly we are clearly getting to the point where we NEED TO let it rip through our schools to give our kids immunity to fight the next variant and the variants after that.
If you haven't already noticed, With each new variant, the virus is becoming more infectious with worse symptoms for younger and younger age cohorts.
Currently the vast majority of children will barely get ill, we need to make sure that continues to be the case and vaccinating kids with new vaccines that haven't been used for a long time isn't really the world' greatest idea.
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I'm not sure that getting one variant of it is providing much immunity from the next one. I know it's a small sample size (one person) but since my son had his first jab six weeks ago he's caught it twice. Barely noticed it the first time but had a positive test result. After 3 weeks clear he's just caught it again along with three of his mates and this time I assume it's the delta variant. Feels a lot rougher this time, thankfully still not serious but it seems to illustrate the point that letting it rip might not provide the benefits you might think. He's due his second jab in a couple of weeks so hopefully that will protect him a bit more, but it seems a single jab does little to prevent you catching the latest variants but hopefully mitigates the effects.
 
Ric said:
The footage of those two people harassing Whitty is pretty grim, but this is more disturbing. A group of protestors outside his house chanting "murderer" and "traitor". What the fuck is wrong with these people?!
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People with jobs/lives simply don't have time to do this, do they....?
 
Btw did anyone notice that the Zoe prediction for cases that I posted early afternoon yesterday after it was released - 22, 874 - proved the most accurate yet. The actual number reported by Gov UK several hours later was 22, 868.
 
west didsblue said:
I'm not sure that getting one variant of it is providing much immunity from the next one. I know it's a small sample size (one person) but since my son had his first jab six weeks ago he's caught it twice. Barely noticed it the first time but had a positive test result. After 3 weeks clear he's just caught it again along with three of his mates and this time I assume it's the delta variant. Feels a lot rougher this time, thankfully still not serious but it seems to illustrate the point that letting it rip might not provide the benefits you might think. He's due his second jab in a couple of weeks so hopefully that will protect him a bit more, but it seems a single jab does little to prevent you catching the latest variants but hopefully mitigates the effects.
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The ONS just released a study into reinfection.

Between 26 April and 5 June as Delta was rapidly replacing everything else in UK they found the reinfection risk was very low.

133 identified reinfections from 17, 434 people in the study. If I understood the numbers right.

Will let one of the real experts in here comment on the reliability of that data. And its meaning.

But it seemed to say symptoms were usually less severe second time around. So your son may have just been unlucky. Or the first test was inaccurate as many still are and he did not have it then.
 
Healdplace said:
The ONS just released a study into reinfection.

Between 26 April and 5 June as Delta was rapidly replacing everything else in UK they found the reinfection risk was very low.

133 identified reinfections from 17, 434 people in the study. If I understood the numbers right.

Will let one of the real experts in here comment on the reliability of that data. And its meaning.
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Hopefully my son is just an anomaly or maybe first time round it was a false positive.
 
west didsblue said:
Hopefully my son is just an anomaly or maybe first time round it was a false positive.
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It is possible that he just continued to have COVID over that time, rather than getting infected again. Given the way anti-bodies work, it seems unlikely that he would have caught it again so quickly?
 
Manchester33 said:
It is possible that he just continued to have COVID over that time, rather than getting infected again. Given the way anti-bodies work, it seems unlikely that he would have caught it again so quickly?
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I suppose it's possible but he had quite a few negative tests in between the two, and second time round his symptoms appeared at exactly the same time as his mates so it's very likely he caught it when he was with them. I think it's more likely that first time round it was a false positive.
 
Interesting comparison of the difference between the last big wave as it was rising that focused on the NW before it spread elsewhere during last autumn - pre any vaccines - and today where a similar thing is happening with widespread vaccinations.

27 October UK Cases 22, 885. NW cases 4937 (Manchester 443 Bolton 239 Stockport 208)

Deaths UK 367 NW 68

Patients UK 10, 938 Ventilated 903

Patients NW 2566 Ventilated NW 212


YESTERDAY UK CASES 22, 868 NW cases 4168 (Manchester 451 Bolton 121 Stockport 142)

Deaths UK 3 NW 2

Patients UK 1721 Ventilated 297

Patients NW 498 Ventilated NW 101




THIS is why it looks like we are in a very different place because of the vaccines. Even with a far more infectious variant.

Though as you can see the ventilator numbers are the one thing less reduced than we might hope.

So whilst the death numbers right now are massively better the risk of an increase here as it spreads must exist.

But it looks virtually certain this wave will impact far, far less than that one did. And the reasons are obvious.
 
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Ric said:
The footage of those two people harassing Whitty is pretty grim, but this is more disturbing. A group of protestors outside his house chanting "murderer" and "traitor". What the fuck is wrong with these people?!
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Fucking hell, this country is grim. What a bunch of wankers. This country seriously needs a reform of the CJS, extra prisons and staff to run them American style. Fed up of sharing oxygen with these people.
 
Eds said:
Fucking hell, this country is grim. What a bunch of wankers. This country seriously needs a reform of the CJS, extra prisons and staff to run them American style. Fed up of sharing oxygen with these people.
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I agree.We have always had a section of wankers.....but the country is awash with cunts,and they seem to be growing by the day.

Like you,i blame a poor justice system and a lack of any proper deterrent.

Those scenes are a fucking disgrace,nothing more than a moron convention and the most worrying aspect....the majority look like well dressed and normally respectable types.
 
west didsblue said:
I suppose it's possible but he had quite a few negative tests in between the two, and second time round his symptoms appeared at exactly the same time as his mates so it's very likely he caught it when he was with them. I think it's more likely that first time round it was a false positive.
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It's very interesting either way.

Ultimately, I hope your lad is feeling better!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
as I say. They deserve punishment.

but they are just a couple of thick planks trying to be funny rather than being threatening, just how I saw it.
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So if it happened to you it would just be laughed off as a couple of lads having a laugh? the fucking scum should be charged with assault
 
Healdplace said:
Interesting comparison of the difference between the last big wave as it was rising that focused on the NW before it spread elsewhere during last autumn - pre any vaccines - and today where a similar thing is happening with widespread vaccinations.

27 October UK Cases 22, 885. NW cases 4937 (Manchester 443 Bolton 239 Stockport 208)

Deaths UK 367 NW 68

Patients UK 10, 938 Ventilated 903

Patients NW 2566 Ventilated NW 212


YESTERDAY UK CASES 22, 868 NW cases 4168 (Manchester 451 Bolton 121 Stockport 142)

Deaths UK 3 NW 2

Patients UK 1721 Ventilated 297

Patients NW 498 Ventilated NW 101




THIS is why it looks like we are in a very different place because of the vaccines. Even with a far more infectious variant.

Though as you can see the ventilator numbers are the one thing less reduced than we might hope.

So whilst the death numbers right now are massively better the risk of an increase here as it spreads must exist.

But it looks virtually certain this wave will impact far, far less than that one did. And the reasons are obvious.
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Thanks for posting this. It’s a bit uncanny as believe it or not, just this morning I was thinking what the death numbers were when we last had 22,000+ cases in one day! The difference between them is even more stark than I thought.
 
Dutch have apparently given the green light to using Pfizer on all those aged 12-17. It had already been authorized for use with those with particular conditions, which I believe remains the position in the UK, but it will now be rolled out to all.
 
Zoe App data

SADLY IF ZOE IS RIGHT ANOTHER BIG JUMP MAY BE COMING TODAY

Predicted cases up today - by 1476 up to 24, 351

And even more so in ongoing symptomatic cases - up 16, 374 (5000 more than yesterday) to 301, 162 - first time they have recorded over 300K (which is not far off 1 in 200 having Covid in the UK right now).



Scotland still the dark Maroon band Range 420 - 1456.

North West still the only region in the next darkest red watch zone and has edged up again to 460 - 872.

But the changes in Scotland and North West do seem to be flattening off.



Two of the three regions in the band immediately below are rising

London up slightly to 346 / 633 from 316 / 594

NE & Yorkshire rises to 217 / 669 from 184 / 609

Midlands too on 216 / 617 - from 198 / 574

But South West edged up to 204 / 472 from 198 / 466

Every other England region is in the lowest light pink watch zone.

Only Northern Ireland is still white and no watch zone rating there.


Glasgow City is now the worst numbers in the UK rising well over Liverpool (worst in NW still) - Glasgow now on 22, 044

Aberdeen is back up on 13, 982 also.


In the North West Liverpool is still falling on 18, 391 from 22, 951.
Wirral has gone maroon and is climbing up to 8542 v 7206.

Preston is down slightly on 10, 712 ahead of much of GM.

Carlisle has climbed too up to 9181.


In GM Oldham is top but down a little on 16, 688 v 17, 192.

Manchester is down to second inching down too on 14, 301 v 14, 976

But Rochdale is third and rising on 12, 417 v 12, 038

Bolton has risen to fourth on 11, 399 - up from 10, 691

On fifth is Wigan upo big to 9974 from 5403

With Trafford up to 8994 from 8821 in sixth and Bury seventh on 8725 down from 9553

Tameside eighth on 8631 after a big rise from 6054

Salford on 8072 is next to the lowest now though very high - a big fall from 10, 927

Leaving as still the lowest in GM though having accelerated upward today into the upper watch zone:

Stockport on 5285 - a big jumpo from 3945 yesterday.

High Peak (5360) and Cheshire East (5097) - neighbouring boroughs - have tracked Stockport up into the lowest places of the higher watch zones as well.


This is a rather worrying reversal of numbers in GM over past few days back to where they were a week or two ago.


Let us hope Zoe have got this wrong. But they seem to be increasingly right in seeing things a few days ahead of the data from Gov UK.


In Yorkshire Leeds falls to 10, 361 from 12, 183
 
Gabriel said:
Dutch have apparently given the green light to using Pfizer on all those aged 12-17. It had already been authorized for use with those with particular conditions, which I believe remains the position in the UK, but it will now be rolled out to all.
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Was passed here the other day, I remember posting the news.
 
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