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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%

  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%
  • Total voters
    2,063
bobbyowenquiff said:
Agree with you about disclosing material. UEFA had no credible evidence of wrongdoing and neither do the PL. Why should we allow them to conduct a fishing expedition with our confidential business information? They have done nothing previously that suggests we should trust them. UEFA leaked like a sieve throughout their process and someone is already apparently briefing Javier Tebas on this probe (he is hardly a friend of the PL either)
There will be plenty of content in our documents that we don't want in the public domain. It doesn't make it illegal. The most damaging things in the Der Spiegel stuff was not much the financial stuff but the boasting: "We can do what we want" and the tasteless jokes about dead UEFA officials etc etc.
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Some of the arrogance and stupidity displayed by those comments was unprofessional and has no doubt caused further scrutiny of our operations, although our enemies will be pushing the controlling bodies to continue their hounding of the club.

Fucking tedious with this constant shit but the consequence of our success spoiling the party for the usual suspects.

The mardarses in red will be enjoying all the negative press.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Absolutely none. We clearly treated it seriously enough to pay the top legal people to try and win the appeal.

I suspect it might have more to do with the third part ownership accusations and image right set-up, as that is another area of attack.
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I think the footballing authorities are struggling to come to terms with the structure of CFG and city, how services are cross charged and how income is recognised. Basically I think they are clawing away trying to find something wrong with the model as it jeopardises a lot of the old guard and their business models. So suspect what you say here TH has elements of truth in it - they are definitely poking away at this trying to find something.

I think the the reasons we have fought for non disclosure is two fold:

1. Detailed income and contractual information gives a lot more away than the annual accounts will.

2. This may disclose parts of how the CFG are set up that give us an advantage to other clubs and we really don’t want that.

It’s still part of a concerted pressurisation by the old guard clubs from what I can see reading between the lines.
 
Cobwebcat said:
What made him target Man City? If I ever knew I’ve forgotten!
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It is widely believed that he did not target us, he targeted someone else they paid up, a blackmailing hacker is not in the yellow pages, then they paid for information on us, hope they did not pay too much for that tripe.
Just as a side note Beckenbauer was getting prosecuted by the yanks at the time, just saying:)
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The PL can't investigate us for FFP breaches per se as FFP isn't within their jurisdiction. They can, I think, investigate whether we've made false or misleading submissions in order to meet UEFA licensing requirements though. They (the PL) are the licensing body on UEFA's behalf.

I suspect this is a final attempt to embarrass us, by our US-owned friends but I can't see anything more substantial coming out of this.

If we've been shown not to have broken FFP rules then we're 99.9999% certain not to have broken the far less stringent PL ones.
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Surely it’s time for us to retaliate given the evidence we have again the likes of Liverpool and the other members of the hateful 8/9
 
blue oli said:
I think the footballing authorities are struggling to come to terms with the structure of CFG and city, how services are cross charged and how income is recognised. Basically I think they are clawing away trying to find something wrong with the model as it jeopardises a lot of the old guard and their business models. So suspect what you say here TH has elements of truth in it - they are definitely poking away at this trying to find something.

I think the the reasons we have fought for non disclosure is two fold:

1. Detailed income and contractual information gives a lot more away than the annual accounts will.

2. This may disclose parts of how the CFG are set up that give us an advantage to other clubs and we really don’t want that.

It’s still part of a concerted pressurisation by the old guard clubs from what I can see reading between the lines.
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3 / they can come up with away of making our lives a lot harder if like of Gill Tebas stick there snorts into all our documentation..
 
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Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Stuart Brennan and an excellent article (unless the usual experts find faults I can't see) ago:

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

What Man City's court defeat over FFP investigation secrecy actually means

The Court of Appeal decided that Manchester City's bid, supported by the Premier League, to stop publication of details of the ongoing investigation should be thrown out. But what does it all mean, and what have we learned?
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
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That’s as good as explanation as I’ve seen.

After all this the PL are going to have to charge us with something for fear of looking ridiculous and the more time passes the more of it gets time barred. This is why City are fighting so hard over trivia I think.

I doubt they have anything major to hit us with but, if they have, there is no recourse to CAS unless the PL agree, only the High Court which I imagine will be expensive and neither side wants.

Result…yet another fine.

Just my guess.

@projectriver

@Chris in London
 
I think we learned from 'taking a pinch' that the various authorities can't be trusted, so believe we will use every legal challenge available regardless of cost to try and ensure the bastards back off and let us get on with running our business and winning trophies
 
blueyorkie said:
Surely it’s time for us to retaliate given the evidence we have again the likes of Liverpool and the other members of the hateful 8/9
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We've been far too supine. There's been an attitude for years of "We'll eventually be accepted as part of the established elite and all this will go away". Well, we're still waiting and not only has it not gone away, or shown signs of going away, but it's got more and more bitter.

You don't fight bullies by saying yes to them every time.
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Stuart Brennan and an excellent article (unless the usual experts find faults I can't see) ago:

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

What Man City's court defeat over FFP investigation secrecy actually means

The Court of Appeal decided that Manchester City's bid, supported by the Premier League, to stop publication of details of the ongoing investigation should be thrown out. But what does it all mean, and what have we learned?
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
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Sure I read most of that on here yesterday via some posters
 
citizen_maine said:
I think we learned from 'taking a pinch' that the various authorities can't be trusted, so believe we will use every legal challenge available regardless of cost to try and ensure the bastards back off and let us get on with running our business and winning trophies
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I suspect that City will be prepared to pursue all legal options if they are hit with a points deduction or similar draconian penalty. That would mean the High Court, the Court of Appeal, and Supreme Court.

I am not sure that the PL will be prepared to take the financial risk of such a policy? After all it will simply be an attack on behalf of Liverpool, United, and Chelsea. I doubt if Arsenal, Tottenham and Leicester even count at the moment?
 
JGL07 said:
I suspect that City will be prepared to pursue all legal options if they are hit with a points deduction or similar draconian penalty. That would mean the High Court, the Court of Appeal, and Supreme Court.

I am not sure that the PL will be prepared to take the financial risk of such a policy? After all it will simply be an attack on behalf of Liverpool, United, and Chelsea. I doubt if Arsenal, Tottenham and Leicester even count at the moment?
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Arses and spurs are always in, the have tried to destroy us forever esp the arses , they will be in alright
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Stuart Brennan and an excellent article (unless the usual experts find faults I can't see) ago:

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

What Man City's court defeat over FFP investigation secrecy actually means

The Court of Appeal decided that Manchester City's bid, supported by the Premier League, to stop publication of details of the ongoing investigation should be thrown out. But what does it all mean, and what have we learned?
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
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Good piece from Stuart. He's a proper old school journalist who ploughs a lonely furrow these days. This reads like he has had a briefing from a good source who knows exactly what is happening.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
We've been far too supine. There's been an attitude for years of "We'll eventually be accepted as part of the established elite and all this will go away". Well, we're still waiting and not only has it not gone away, or shown signs of going away, but it's got more and more bitter.

You don't fight bullies by saying yes to them every time.
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Do you think our owners attitude is born out of thinking solely about money? By that I mean he surely knew he would not be wanted but still chose to invest eventually in City. Effectively does he simply not care about them and just invests.?
 
SilverFox2 said:
Do you think our owners attitude is born out of thinking solely about money? By that I mean he surely knew he would not be wanted but still chose to invest eventually in City. Effectively does he simply not care about them and just invests.?
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Who knows. I think that's possibly some truth in that but I suspect it's more to do with behaving with dignity, which is why Sulaiman Al Fahim was despatched fairly sharpish.

It's about behaving in a business-like fashion rather than being solely about business. It's a desire to keep things low key and not be seen as aggressive or pushy. I also think there was a desire to not draw too much negative attention to Abu Dhabi but that's not really worked has it?

But the Der Spiegel/UEFA stuff was pretty well an existential threat; an attempt to cripple us financially and developmentally. It's time we flexed OUR muscles and knocked one or two of our opponents out of the ring.

Everything I heard at the time of the CAS result was that you don't mess with our owners. If that's so, it's high time they put up.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Who knows. I think that's possibly some truth in that but I suspect it's more to do with behaving with dignity, which is why Sulaiman Al Fahim was despatched fairly sharpish.

It's about behaving in a business-like fashion rather than being solely about business. It's a desire to keep things low key and not be seen as aggressive or pushy. I also think there was a desire to not draw too much negative attention to Abu Dhabi but that's not really worked has it?

But the Der Spiegel/UEFA stuff was pretty well an existential threat; an attempt to cripple us financially and developmentally. It's time we flexed OUR muscles and knocked one or two of our opponents out of the ring.

Everything I heard at the time of the CAS result was that you don't mess with our owners. If that's so, it's high time they put up.
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Thanks Colin.
Is there any indication that post CAS we have been shall we say discrete in our aggression?
I note for instance a note of working together RE PL and City to not publicize outcome which was overruled by the Judge.
Perhaps we are still keeping whatever powder we have on our enemies dry?
Maybe we would not have heard anything if the Judge had agreed secrecy and it would have died a convenient death?
 
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