Jack Grealish

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Why do you think it's so unachievable? Leeds missed it by eight points in their first season back. West Ham had a very average team and finished two points outside.
Villa had a good season last season but you're not in the same class as Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd or Manchester City. You have a job just to get past Arsenal and Spurs.

Believe me, every Manchester City fan would prefer to see VIlla do well over those clubs. Liverpool and Man Utd are especially disliked but much as I would like you to replace them, I can't see it.
 
Villa offering 200k a week apparently. I just think his agent wants Jack to move since euros his popularity has sky rocketed
If Grealish does sign then I would say with near certainty that everything we've heard out of the Villa end the past 2 months has been pure posturing.
 
Lucky contracts exist then; if Villa don't want to sell then he isn't going anywhere no matter how ambitious he is. On that matter, I'd also say it is more ambitious to try and get into the Champions League with Villa and perhaps win an FA Cup than win an inevitable league title with you. Ambition means taking on a challenge, he wouldn't be doing that with you.
So it wouldn't be a challenge coming to city and putting himself up against a lot of talent and also trying to get in the starting 11 in place of them?
Your post just shows how little you know about football and how blinkered your views are.
Villa aren't winning any cups or getting anywhere near the top 4. You should of kicked on after battering the mickeys but instead chose to play the next few games with a cigar on.
Grealish wants to win things before he turns into Matt le Tissier. He isn't doing that at Villa Park.
 
Because that is what he would have cost last summer, before the new deal. How does it make sense that Villa give him a new deal when the current one has three years to run and introduce a clause that limits his value to what it was before the deal? Better to let the old deal run and sell him this summer without a release clause in that case.
Happens. Deals have many factors in them, they play off against each other.

Club wants player to stay another year, they may end up offering a new deal that contains slightly better wages or signing bonus, and an escape clause that suits the player. The alternative is the player gets bigger bonuses for signing, bigger wages, in return for accepting that a bigger fee would be required when they move.
 
Why do you think it's so unachievable? Leeds missed it by eight points in their first season back. West Ham had a very average team and finished two points outside.
You really have buried your head in the sand and you are only capable of looking at football through the prism of an Aston Villa fan. Let me spell it out for you.

Manchester City are at a party they weren’t invited to. We gate crashed it. It’s a world of cartels. The establishment aren’t happy and they’re gonna make damn sure no other upstart crashes the party. Not a lot they can do about us.

You might be allowed to be a Leicester and win the odd trophy every five years. They’ll ruffle your hair and declare it the romance of football. The exception that proves football is competitive. But you even had a daydream about dominating domestically or regularly taking a European spot from United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs etc and you’ll get absolutely butt fucked. Prepare for headlines about your owners eating aborted foetuses for breakfast. Hackers rifling through Villa’s emails and stealing your scouting database.

Easy you say?
 
From what I gathered from reading these posts is that we don't have a lot of opposition fans that like us.

You know what so be it :)
 
Because that is what he would have cost last summer, before the new deal. How does it make sense that Villa give him a new deal when the current one has three years to run and introduce a clause that limits his value to what it was before the deal? Better to let the old deal run and sell him this summer without a release clause in that case.

no one knows the exact figure of the release clause if there is one. your owner wouldn’t say there is one for your best player that would be stupid. You would have every team in the top 4 come knocking

This is jacks agents work 100% he knows there’s a clause and told City about it as he will get a nice signing bonus and gets to say one of his big players on his watch is now playing for the premier league champions and in the champions league. Euros was the worst thing to happen for Villa as now Jacks popularity is sky high and that means money signs for his agent. I commented before Jacks got deals lined up with Boohooman , aftershave sponsors, other clothing brands High end.

A lot of brands want to work with Jack. his agent has a goldmine in Grealish
 
Because that is what he would have cost last summer, before the new deal. How does it make sense that Villa give him a new deal when the current one has three years to run and introduce a clause that limits his value to what it was before the deal? Better to let the old deal run and sell him this summer without a release clause in that case.
If you believe there is no release clause then you have nothing to worry about.
If you are not worried why are you here?
 
I think this is quite obvious isn't it? Leaving to win inevitable title after title with a super team is a lot easier than building something organic with players of lesser talent. As you lot point out incessantly, it's an awful lot harder and less likely for Villa to finish fourth than for you to win the Champions League or whatever. So why is leaving for easy honours ambitious?
Sorry bud, this is horseshit. There are no easy honours. None of our titles or Cups have remotely come easily. We've bought high quality players, but it's been grind and sheer grit that has seen us over the line. We've also had more than our fair share of injuries to key players and some infamous atrocious Ref/VAR decisions. As for you finishing fourth, it' ain't gonna happen with or without Grealish so that's a bogus comparison anyway.
 
There's no contradictions in what I've said. It's difficult but not as difficult as you think it is - as shown by the fact we were on course around Christmas until Grealish got injured. But it becomes impossible if you sell your best players - hence why it's difficult to believe Sam Lee that a fee has been agreed so easily or that there is a reasonable release clause. It could end up costing you something like £150 million as that is what he is worth to us in terms of progress.
City would not be interested in Grealish if they had any indication he would cost £150. If that was the case, City would have looked somewhere else a long time ago since there is no way the club would pay that for a midfielder unless we would need to replace someone like KDB. And there still seem to be a belief within City this deal could get done. This tells me 2 things:
1 - There is most likely a release clause and City find it reasonable. Its probably between £75-100M, otherwise we would have walked away. When you consider the fact he only had one successful season in PL for an, at the time, relegation candidate, a release clause around the British transfer record is not unreasonable high. This is also strengthen by the fact that Villa apparently are trying to make him sign a new contract, instead of just declining any offer or publicy demanding a higher fee.
2 - Grealish must have given City an indication he would be willing to sign for us, if he wasn't interested we wouldn't try to sign him. You could also think that he would have denied any rumors of him leaving by now if there wasn't any truth to it.

With this said, he could still sign the extension with Villa. Before anything is signed Grealish himself could change his mind. Or maybe he simply have not decided yet. None of us know what goes on in his mind before he decides to either stay or go. But to me it seems more likely than not that he will leave at this point since City knows what he costs, are willing to pay it, and Grealish are willing to come. But I guess we will find out soon, we are all just speculating at this point.
 
£75 million was the fee Man Utd would have had to pay last summer. I'm bored of not getting through with simple logic - Villa wouldn't have added a release clause that meant his value under the new deal was equal to or lower than if he had continued on the previous one until 2023.
You're not getting through cos you're talking out of your arse, bud. Villa may have set the price at 75 mill but nobody was willing to pay anything like that last year. Ergo, his market value was well south of 75 mill. So setting the release clause well above his market value is quite logical.
 
Lucky contracts exist then; if Villa don't want to sell then he isn't going anywhere no matter how ambitious he is. On that matter, I'd also say it is more ambitious to try and get into the Champions League with Villa and perhaps win an FA Cup than win an inevitable league title with you. Ambition means taking on a challenge, he wouldn't be doing that with you.
Grealish only stays at Villa if he doesn't back himself to mix it with the best. His easy option is to stay at Villa with absolutely no pressure on himself.
At City he'd be carrying a massive price tag trying to get into a hugely talented team and be expected to perform every single time he plays.
Grealish knows he has reached a point in his career where he has to step out of his comfort zone. Time to go for real glory.
It's bollox to believe he would stay Villa because he's a supporter and that any small achievements would mean more. It will be because he didn't have the cahonas to grab the opportunity.
 
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