Climate Change is here and man made

[mat]

Whilst I agree to an extent, we have a duty of care to at least attempt to preserve what's here.

I agree.

Yet we live under a system that unless someone makes a huge profit from it nothing of consequence will happen.

The UK government will preach they are doing stuff but won't follow the lines of say Germany where recycling Is encouraged and rewarded.

Real education, not a throwaway course sponsored by a corporation to tick box it's "environmental quota" is needed. At least then we'd have a fighting of a while generation being taught and understanding east ways of offsetting their carbon footprints and developing future strategies.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Coal is used to supply 80 per cent of our electricity needs.

BTW Explain anything?

That not an answer that's a submission that you don't have an answer.

Go the the Hunter seeing you know the country well and tell the 140lk plus all their families and the rest that depend on coal production and tell them they are destroying the planet slowly but surely and that is just for starters and there jobs are worthless and dangerous to mankind while our electricity bills go up through a conversion and more people freeze in winter and boil in summer.

yes we need to reduce our reliance on coal in this country but it has to measured and as others have said you cannot turn the tap off and keep the lights on buddy.

You fail to realise our country is based on three main things minerals , transportation and agriculture that supplies the needs of many other countries and they all happen to be high end in CO2 output.

We have the highest per capita of solar panels on houses in the developed world.

We are world leading in Hydro , high quality coal , iron ore , agriculture , carbon capture and you come up with that rubbish to make a point.

We produce less than 1.3 per cent of the worlds man made output and its decreasing per capita by world standards.

Arm chair experts Bazz plenty of them around what would you do if you were PM? on climate change in Australia.

It's well documented what Australia should be doing, I don't need to give you a play by play.

Almost every other western ally of Australia has said you are not doing anywhere near enough. Don't sugar coat it.

 

[Rascal]

I absolutely hate this mindset. Thinking of people as a virus is dangerous and it isn't too many steps from this to start trying to justify genocide, as they are only a virus.

Do you see yourself as a virus or just other parts of humanity?

Humanity is an aberration. Nature fucked up and made one species too dominant.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I spent the first 20 years of my life in Adelaide mate, I am well aware of Australias historical relationship with bushfires.

The point is it's getting worse and will continue to be. The Australian government needs to hang there heads in shame to be honest, the prime minister is a fuckin disgrace.

Is Australia still the top coal mining and selling country in the world?

 

[mat]

I absolutely hate this mindset. Thinking of people as a virus is dangerous and it isn't too many steps from this to start trying to justify genocide, as they are only a virus.

Do you see yourself as a virus or just other parts of humanity?

Depends how you define humanity. Which would be another thread to discuss it in.

This thread is about the climate change emergency and we all have to acknowledge that the human race has contributed to it,and must adapt to protect future generations. However we all go around thinking it's bad, but won't do owt until it's too late. Like when Docs warn people about their lifestyle potentially killing them but don't do anything until it nearly does. By then the damage has been done.

 

[mancity1]

Have you been asleep for the past 5 years? Look at all the extreme weather events that are happening. Pull your head out of the sand.




There's not even a point in arguing with you because you're ignoring facts and creating stories to try and justify some warped pointless argument. I'd say you're the one who's lost the plot, but I'd imagine you've never had any sense to begin with.

Seeing as you speak for him I will ask you , what mess are win in?

Extreme weather events have occurred for millions of years or have you been asleep for all time including your many past lives.

Why even argue it sounds like every comment you have a different view on merits an " argument".

i was just asking him to elaborate which he is not doing , he gets things wrong many times our Bazz on this subject like the condition of the TGBR and China's economy to mention just two.

Name me one story I have created on climate change?

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Seeing as you speak for him I will ask you , what mess are win in?

Extreme weather events have occurred for millions of years or have you been asleep for all time including your many past lives.

Why even argue it sounds like every comment you have a different view on merits an " argument".

i was just asking him to elaborate which he is not doing , he gets things wrong many times our Bazz on this subject like the condition of the TGBR and China's economy to mention just two.

Name me on story I have created on climate change?

All of them.

I.e. The Great Barrier Reef being in the best condition it's been in for 30 years which is just absolute bullshit of the highest order. Really from top drawer.

 

[mancity1]

Is Australia still the top coal mining and selling country in the world?

No we are way behind , China , the USA , India , Indonesia and just ahead of Russia but our quality is much better and far more efficient in generating the needs of electricity generation that some of these countries need.

 

[hilts]

No, you’ve misrepresented my point again. As I clearly stated, all nations should undertake to meet their obligations. As I’ve also stated, the slowest moving of the current major emitting nations is China (for the valid reason they are behind in their development). So using international agreements to make them and others move more quickly is more important than panic driven unilateralism.

You say no one is arguing for unilateral action but you yourself say “Are you suggesting that no small or medium country should ever set the way” - that is clearly a call for unilateral action.

Overall, it is a good thing that nations like the UK are leading the way on this but not let’s kid ourselves that such examples will automatically change the behaviour of the rest of the world without some concrete agreements in place.

Agree about making the local environment better, but this thread isn’t about that.

No it’s not a call for unilaterism but everyone isn’t going to work at exactly the same bloody rate, your misunderstanding isn’t my problem.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It’s one of many reports and studies done over decades by top research centres and universities worldwide. It’s serious and people aren’t taking it seriously!

Green issues concern me far and away above any political or social issues that are or have been going on. I have no idea why so few people are bothered by it.

You must be kidding. You cannot turn the TV on without someone banging on about it. It's absolutely wall-to-wall and incessant. It actually makes me wonder (seriously) if there is some government agenda to influence the BBC or something. It's hard to understand otherwise why pretty much everyone who ever appears on the TV feels the need to be a personal climate change evangelist and campaigner. A subject 99% of them know fuck all about.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

No we are way behind , China , India the USA , India , Indonesia and just ahead of Russia but our quality is much better and far more efficient in generating the needs of electricity generation that some of these countries need.

Lol....

Australia is number 1 by some distance.

Coal Exports by Country 2024

Coal exports by country in 2024 plus a searchable database of all coal shipping nations

www.worldstopexports.com

But yeah don't mind me I'm just "making stuff up". Whereas a 5 second Google search invalidated you almost immediately.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

No we are way behind , China , India the USA , India , Indonesia and just ahead of Russia but our quality is much better and far more efficient in generating the needs of electricity generation that some of these countries need.

Are there two Indias?

You aren't way behind the USA.

List of countries by coal production - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[mancity1]

All of them.

I.e. The Great Barrier Reef being in the best condition it's been in for 30 years which is just absolute bullshit of the highest order. Really from top drawer.

Have you spent anytime in the UQ where they do all the work on the health of the reef.

You are deluded my friend.

When you are allowed to visit Oz again take your family to QLD and check it out.

its in much better shape when the COT got stuck into it a number of years ago but of course you were not around then.

Again I like your passion but you speak with fork tongue.

I could produce actual markers done by experts on the reef but I think you mind is made up based on some internet extracted report from 2016 with a UN agenda.

tell me why it it is not on the endangered list.

Have you heard of the helmeted honey eater now that is on the endangered list and I look forward to your donations to help the many selfless volunteers that keep it from extinction.

Go on do something positive BAZZ and find out where you can help and you feel much better about yourself and Glasgow.

 

[Manchester33]

Seeing as you speak for him I will ask you , what mess are win in?

Extreme weather events have occurred for millions of years or have you been asleep for all time including your many past lives.

Why even argue it sounds like every comment you have a different view on merits an " argument".

i was just asking him to elaborate which he is not doing , he gets things wrong many times our Bazz on this subject like the condition of the TGBR and China's economy to mention just two.

Name me on story I have created on climate change?

He's sent you about 5 articles that explain the points you're making are nonsense. You're wrong. Stop denying the situation we're in.

In the last few years, we've seen an increase in both the intensity and frequency of: wildfires, flooding, droughts, famine. The sea levels are continuing to rise. Eco-systems are being obliterated at the fastest rate in history (de-forestation, ice sheets etc). Our oceans are being over-fished to the point that where it's likely we're no longer have fish in the ocean within 100 years. The use of pesticides and fertilisers in farming worldwide is likely to lead to mass crop failure within the next 100 years.

You said in one of your posts that you don't like legislation that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer. Well, who do you think suffers the most from climate change? It isn't Jeff Bezos and his rocket ship, that's for certain!

You continue doing you. Deny, deny and deny some more. Pretend there's nothing happening. You live in a first world country and won't suffer the worst consequences of climate change. But don't try and preach your fake news to others like it's fact. You're nothing more than a wind up merchant with a keyboard.

 

[mancity1]

Lol....

Australia is number 1 by some distance.

Coal Exports by Country 2024

Coal exports by country in 2024 plus a searchable database of all coal shipping nations

www.worldstopexports.com

But yeah don't mind me I'm just "making stuff up". Whereas a 5 second Google search invalidated you almost immediately.

I was talking about coal production of course we export more because we have the best and I wish we used more on our generation until we convert to nuclear overtime.

The six largest coal-producing countries around the world in 2019

China leads the way among the world's largest coal-producing countries, but several other regions account for significant output of this much-used resource.

www.nsenergybusiness.com

No need to apologise Bazz.

Never said you make it up you just leap before you look.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Have you spent anytime in the UQ where they do all the work on the health of the reef.

You are deluded my friend.

When you are allowed to visit Oz again take your family to QLD and check it out.

its in much better shape when the COT got stuck into it a number of years ago but of course you were not around then.

Again I like your passion but you speak with fork tongue.

I could produce actual markers done by experts on the reef but I think you mind is made up based on some internet extracted report from 2016 with a UN agenda.

tell me why it it is not on the endangered list.

Have you heard of the helmeted honey eater now that is on the endangered list and I look forward to your donations to help the many selfless volunteers that keep it from extinction.

Go on do something positive BAZZ and find out where you can help and you feel much better about yourself and Glasgow.

And yet experts from around the world and divers who have been visiting it since the 70s tell an incredibly different story?

Honestly mate, I wouldn't die on the hill for anything the UQ or the Australian government says about the reef. It's a tourist destination and when the UN put it on the endangered list, it's about the most flapping I've heard come out of Australia in the best part of a decade on the reef. Why? Because there's money on the line FFS....

So we buttered the UN up and did we could to get it off there.

You really need to just snap k to reality a bit old fella.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

I was talking about coal production of course we export more because we have the best and I wish we used more on our generation until we convert to nuclear overtime.

The six largest coal-producing countries around the world in 2019

China leads the way among the world's largest coal-producing countries, but several other regions account for significant output of this much-used resource.

www.nsenergybusiness.com

No need to apologise Bazz.

Never said you make it up you just leap before you look.

You replied to a post which states "is Australia the top selling and producing country in the world".

Of which you said no it's not - but at no point did you clarify.

Being proud of exporting coal at this point in time and "best coal", sounds like Donald trump behind that keyboard to be honest.... Fuck me dead.

 

[mancity1]

Are there two Indias?

You aren't way behind the USA.

List of countries by coal production - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sorry fode I will edit that I forgot about the US ORIGINALLY because I was doing it by memory.

By behind I meant way behind China so again apologies but we are not first in production which we could be in time as we have plenty of reserves over 2,000 years at current levels I believe but you can correct me on that.

 

[RabidCity]

You know nothing about my lifestyle. I haven't eaten animal products for over 5 years either, but I just don't feel the need to tell everyone on a forum to make myself feel superior about how I'm saving the planet, when in reality it's not.

Just becuase your family don't eat meat it isn't going to make any difference to the environment whatsoever, it's just an opportunity for you to show how pious that you are so that you can preach at other people. How you get real effective change is through innovation but that takes hard work and effort, I work for a company that does this. It's easier to just post on the internet though, which incidentally is wasting precious electricity and killing the planet, just so that you can maintain your precious lifestyle.

This isn't a conversation about who does most, it's about acknowledging that everyone needs to help a little. Your posts will only encourage people to leave it for others and not help drive the change in behaviour required.

I've read up on some of the innovation coming soon, so called 'eco-innovation'.. of course the future is here, however pressing that nothing else is of consequence is just blind stupidity.

 

[mancity1]

He's sent you about 5 articles that explain the points you're making are nonsense. You're wrong. Stop denying the situation we're in.

In the last few years, we've seen an increase in both the intensity and frequency of: wildfires, flooding, droughts, famine. The sea levels are continuing to rise. Eco-systems are being obliterated at the fastest rate in history (de-forestation, ice sheets etc). Our oceans are being over-fished to the point that where it's likely we're no longer have fish in the ocean within 100 years. The use of pesticides and fertilisers in farming worldwide is likely to lead to mass crop failure within the next 100 years.

You said in one of your posts that you don't like legislation that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer. Well, who do you think suffers the most from climate change? It isn't Jeff Bezos and his rocket ship, that's for certain!

You continue doing you. Deny, deny and deny some more. Pretend there's nothing happening. You live in a first world country and won't suffer the worst consequences of climate change. But don't try and preach your fake news to others like it's fact. You're nothing more than a wind up merchant with a keyboard.

I don't deny the science I stopped using CFC's before you were born , I did a major assignment on it in the late seventies when it was unfashionable to do so.

At least we agree on one thing about the distribution of wealth to a point I think , I don't pretend nothing is happening and you fail to realise this point.

I do my bit to reduce my footprint and am proud to do so I hope you do likewise its all as citizens we can do.

You continue doing you?

In Australia we have much to lose by converting our Co2 emissions to net zero by 2050 than most counties do for reasons I have outlined.

if you are in Pom land you have much less to lose by achieving the same.