Climate Change is here and man made

Ice melting, seas rising, low lying lands in danger of flooding, yes, all lovely. What's a few million Bangladeshis really? And some Pacific islanders? don't care about them either. Oh, and the Somerset Levels.

I wonder if anyone's noticed the massive deforestation in the world, rather than tree planting.

Your science is a bit suspect. Providing more CO2 doesn't make plants grow faster or better. That would only be the case if we were near the lower end of CO2 concentration. As it is, if one tree can only use 1 bottle of CO2, the second bottle of CO2 is not going to get used no matter how hard the tree tries - it's a rarity that anything would need all the excess, and so it builds up.

Other carbon-binding tech? Such as? It'll be very expensive if not environmentally terrible. If CO2 levels would be a problem at that point, it's the same as the belief that there is a problem now. Maybe at this putative self-destruction point, people will think, "nah, someone will work out how to deal with it in the future."

Scientists and their pesky evidence, eh? awful people, let's ignore the data and throw up some unprovable options! I can't for the life of me see how sunspots would cause higher CO2 levels, and we know that higher CO2 levels leads to atmospheric temperature rise ('cos it's science). The rest is rhetoric with no more basis in fact than sunspots - there will be price to pay for fixing the problem, and it's a heck of a lot easier for richer nations to do that than poorer ones. Jack will be pleased that we're all right, though.
How low lying do you believe Bangladesh to be?
 
My biggest issue on this is the horrible manner in which data is changed. Science is only as good as the data and the nice folks at NASA and the IPCC move the needle by making constant changes to the data. When there was a lot of stories being written about the changes in the data, what did these two groups do? They made the old data inaccessible. I don't claim to be a climate scientist, however I am a logic driven person and I work in a scientific field. Data is what data is. There are sometimes valid reasons to make adjustments, but those adjustments must always be documented and be subject to review. Fortunately, there are several people and groups that collect all the data findings and have made a lot of it available and are showing these changes. The most recent issues is that they are changing current data and adding to the temperatures. They won't talk about why they are adjusting this data. Again, this isn't how science is supposed to work.

Man made global warming (which is what we are trying to discern as we have no ability to control the natural variations) may or may not kill the planet. It may or may not be as bad as these groups say it is. I have many problems with the whole situation, however there are two that really make me question the whole thing. First, the data, which I've already hit upon. Second is trying to pass off climate modelling as science. It is a tool to be used for forecasting, but there are so many unknown variables, that the results are at best a bad guess. I'd like to see what the results of the newest models would be if they just used the raw data versus the same model with the "enhanced" data.

I like science. I want this treated like a true scientific project. I want a voice for decent. Today, if you raise objections, you are shouted down as an ignorant fool and are attacked personally.
Very good point about "models" not being "science". The MET office have "models" and yet can't tell me on Monday that it will raining later on Monday. Their inability to forecast the weather 4 hours later, might reasonably question the confidence we might have in a forecast of what it might be like in 100 years.

Not helped by the fact that the models so far universally claimed to be so compelling have spectacularly failed to match reality to date.

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Well our carbon footprint, fridges, deodorants and 4x4's had fuck all to do with the previous ice ages and warm periods so I will stick entirely with my theory that the Earth's weather patterns are a natural cycle and there is nothing we can do about it other than allow governments to blame us and tax us of course.
I watched Brian Cox on telly here recently completly destroy a politician who had the same view as you.
I don't have a fiftieth of his knowledge though so don't expect me to repeat it, I believe him though...
 
I watched Brian Cox on telly here recently completly destroy a politician who had the same view as you.
I don't have a fiftieth of his knowledge though so don't expect me to repeat it, I believe him though...

He knows his particle physics I will give him that.
 
I watched Brian Cox on telly here recently completly destroy a politician who had the same view as you.
I don't have a fiftieth of his knowledge though so don't expect me to repeat it, I believe him though...



I posted this a couple of weeks back, the fact that the dickhead politician argued with him will be lost on some!!
 
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You know the industrial revolution had been in full swing for more than half a century by 1895?
 
Did he state thing's will only get better?
Haha
He said building Trumps wall will produce 40 million tons of c02, the excavators, cranes, delivery truck's and tradesmen vehicles will burn 2 billion gallons of diesel
So no, thing's will get worse
 

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