Political relations between UK-EU

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This isn’t just a UK problem despite what the media would like you to believe.

Broadly commercial driver vacancies have remained static pre and post Brexit, up 12% and this increase is also being reflected in the EU. Causes? The EU has exactly the same issues as the UK:

Ageing drivers
Lack of new drivers
Poor wages
Poor conditions

What Brexit has done is make it more complex for EU drivers to drive over here and make short otherwise empty runs between drop off and collection points. Generally there appears to be a level of reluctance on EU drivers doing UK destinations due to red tape etc. I believe the government has relaxed some of these rules but it remains to be seen if this has the desired short terms outcomes.

Ultimately, like our EU counterparts, we need to train more drivers and attract more people to the industry, the government could make training free for the next 3 to 6 months to get the ball rolling.
 
This isn’t just a UK problem despite what the media would like you to believe.

Broadly commercial driver vacancies have remained static pre and post Brexit, up 12% and this increase is also being reflected in the EU. Causes? The EU has exactly the same issues as the UK:

Ageing drivers
Lack of new drivers
Poor wages
Poor conditions

What Brexit has done is make it more complex for EU drivers to drive over here and make short otherwise empty runs between drop off and collection points. Generally there appears to be a level of reluctance on EU drivers doing UK destinations due to red tape etc. I believe the government has relaxed some of these rules but it remains to be seen if this has the desired short terms outcomes.

Ultimately, like our EU counterparts, we need to train more drivers and attract more people to the industry, the government could make training free for the next 3 to 6 months to get the ball rolling.
It's a bigger problem for us than them because of Brexit because within the EU, HGV operators can streamline their operations across 27 countries and don't have to worry about customs delays, complex paperwork, different certifications etc. etc. Whatever general problems there are in the logistics industry are compounded hugely by Brexit.
 
Eddie Mair - one of the few journalists who asks this lot the hard questions

 
Eddie Mair - one of the few journalists who asks this lot the hard questions


Do you live in a time warp?

:)
 
This isn’t just a UK problem despite what the media would like you to believe.

Broadly commercial driver vacancies have remained static pre and post Brexit, up 12% and this increase is also being reflected in the EU. Causes? The EU has exactly the same issues as the UK:

Ageing drivers
Lack of new drivers
Poor wages
Poor conditions

What Brexit has done is make it more complex for EU drivers to drive over here and make short otherwise empty runs between drop off and collection points. Generally there appears to be a level of reluctance on EU drivers doing UK destinations due to red tape etc. I believe the government has relaxed some of these rules but it remains to be seen if this has the desired short terms outcomes.

Ultimately, like our EU counterparts, we need to train more drivers and attract more people to the industry, the government could make training free for the next 3 to 6 months to get the ball rolling.
Good grief.

EU drivers not allowed or not willing to work in the UK - they'll be in the EU so inevitably it will be worse for us.

Try this too:

"One can say that situation with migrants in Calais, who attack drivers, damage lorries and try to break into the trailers have nothing to do with Britain because those things happen on French soil. I won’t go into the discussion about if it is legal to prevent people seeking asylum into Britain, let’s just focus on how this situation looks from the driver’s point of view: by coming through Calais one places himself between the hammer and the hard place: if the illegal migrants will be found in the trailer after the truck crossed the channel, the driver can be arrested and fined for “facilitating illegal entry to the country”. And thanks to the new reform of law proposed by Priti Patel, the prosecution won’t even have to prove that he did it for a profit or knowingly. On the other hand, if the driver decides to do the British Border Services’ job, as it’s expected from him, and try to tackle the illegal migration himself by challenging people who try to break into his vehicle, he might be beaten or even killed by them.

No surprise that I hear more and more drivers, who when taking on new jobs demand guarantees from their employers that they won’t be sent to the UK."

Part of a long essay as to the driver's lot, plus that drivers' pay relative to average earnings has fallen.

 
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Wales voted majority Leave

 
Wales voted majority Leave

Only thanks to English immigrants. The irony.
 
Good grief.

EU drivers not allowed or not willing to work in the UK - they'll be in the EU so inevitably it will be worse for us.

Try this too:

"One can say that situation with migrants in Calais, who attack drivers, damage lorries and try to break into the trailers have nothing to do with Britain because those things happen on French soil. I won’t go into the discussion about if it is legal to prevent people seeking asylum into Britain, let’s just focus on how this situation looks from the driver’s point of view: by coming through Calais one places himself between the hammer and the hard place: if the illegal migrants will be found in the trailer after the truck crossed the channel, the driver can be arrested and fined for “facilitating illegal entry to the country”. And thanks to the new reform of law proposed by Priti Patel, the prosecution won’t even have to prove that he did it for a profit or knowingly. On the other hand, if the driver decides to do the British Border Services’ job, as it’s expected from him, and try to tackle the illegal migration himself by challenging people who try to break into his vehicle, he might be beaten or even killed by them.

No surprise that I hear more and more drivers, who when taking on new jobs demand guarantees from their employers that they won’t be sent to the UK."

Part of a long essay as to the driver's lot, plus that drivers' pay relative to average earnings has fallen.


I know you want to think that it’s only problem for the UK but the data doesn’t support that theory. It’s problem for most everyone, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, Greece, Poland, to name some of them all have the same level of driver vacancies that we have in the UK. Not one country in the EU is reporting a surplus of drivers. Naturally the 12000 drivers who were previously resident in UK and now left have added to the issue for the UK and marginally improved it for whatever countries they left to.

As for Calais I’m not sure the point you’re trying to make. That it’s a reason for a lack of drivers in the UK?
 
Wales voted majority Leave


So Holyhead is an even bigger shithole now?
 
This isn’t just a UK problem despite what the media would like you to believe.

Broadly commercial driver vacancies have remained static pre and post Brexit, up 12% and this increase is also being reflected in the EU. Causes? The EU has exactly the same issues as the UK:

Ageing drivers
Lack of new drivers
Poor wages
Poor conditions

What Brexit has done is make it more complex for EU drivers to drive over here and make short otherwise empty runs between drop off and collection points. Generally there appears to be a level of reluctance on EU drivers doing UK destinations due to red tape etc. I believe the government has relaxed some of these rules but it remains to be seen if this has the desired short terms outcomes.

Ultimately, like our EU counterparts, we need to train more drivers and attract more people to the industry, the government could make training free for the next 3 to 6 months to get the ball rolling.
Yay. More socialism from the Tories. Be free internet next....
 
Public and private sector organisations in the UK receive funding from the EU through various channels – the UK received a total of €6.6 billion (about £5.9 billion) in 2018. The majority of EU funding is administered in partnership with national and regional authorities in Member States, though a share of it is directly administered by the European Commission.

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Johnsons answer is to replace that with two hundred odd million ................ are the zombie cult seeing through this yet?
 

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