How have you done an in depth ancestry dna report into amir Khan to check his lineage?
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BobKowalski
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No of course not.
The way to tackle it is to limit immigration, have an actual policy of integration and encourage immigrants to move to other areas of the UK that A) need them more and B) have low immigration levels currently.
We are not talking about immigration, we are talking about people who can consider themselves as ‘native’ which requires centuries of lineage (apparently), and you stated that you would want all areas of the country to be native population.
Do I qualify? Depends on the cut off date, if it's the French Normans I'm fucked.
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There’s a big difference between being a British National and having a native lineage to England, Scotland, Wales and NI.
I was careful in saying that this isn’t a difference in how we treat people already in this country, a British Citizen is a British Citizen and should be treated the same as everyone else.
But then the question is raised that is Amir Khan, the boxer, as an example, as English as I am or as native as I am?
I would say obviously not.
Well, I ain't telling Bolton born Amir Khan that he isn't a native of England. Good luck.
I said it is reasonable to want natives to be the majority.and you stated that you would want all areas of the country to be native population.
And this is best achieved by limiting the numbers coming in and specifically encouraging those that are to find homes in certain parts of the country.
Yes.How have you done an in depth ancestry dna report into amir Khan to check his lineage?
He’s got Persian ancestry.
It’s why I used him as an example.
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If I moved to Cambodia (just a random country I thought of), and had kids born there. I wouldn’t class my kids as Cambodian natives. Citizens, yes. But not natives.So, unless you have ancestry stretching back centuries you are not native?
This is an arbitrary measure, it precludes people who are born in this country to foreign born parents or parent (from the article) from having an affinity to this country, or considering themselves as English or Scottish or Welsh.
Would your niece consider herself any less English or British if she couldn't trace an ancestor back to the Normans- who were French of Scandavian descent?
It puts up a barrier to assimilation, it states that unless you can trace your lineage back to the Normans or some other arbitrary date you cannot class yourself as native or ‘properly English or British’. I'm not even sure I would pass as ‘native’. How many centuries do I need?
The England team is going to need a major rethink.
Exactly.If I moved to Cambodia (just a random country I thought of), and had kids born there. I wouldn’t class my kids as Cambodian natives. Citizens, yes. But not natives.
You wouldn’t call Donald Trump (random person off the top of my head) a Native American.
Doesn’t mean he can’t be a legitimate American Citizen.
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I wouldn’t have a problem with the native Cambodians not considering me or my kids native Cambodians neither.Exactly.
You wouldn’t call Donald Trump (random person off the top of my head) a Native American.
Doesn’t mean he can’t be a legitimate American Citizen.
Indeed. No white American is a native American. No white South African is a native South African. No white Australian is a native Australian.
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Really? Every single one of his ancestors is from the same place? You know this for a fact? ImpressiveYes.
He’s got Persian ancestry.
It’s why I used him as an example.
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What if you’d married a ‘native Cambodian’ who’d then given birth to your kids? I only ask because the Spectator article seems to be suggesting it’s ‘foreign born women’ having these children so, presumably, to not ‘foreign born men’ or they wouldn’t have made the distinction.If I moved to Cambodia (just a random country I thought of), and had kids born there. I wouldn’t class my kids as Cambodian natives. Citizens, yes. But not natives.
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Did you have any particular places in mind that you want all the foreigners to go to? Out of interest how far is it from where you live?I said it is reasonable to want natives to be the majority.
And this is best achieved by limiting the numbers coming in and specifically encouraging those that are to find homes in certain parts of the country.
No they’re not.Really? Every single one of his ancestors is from the same place? You know this for a fact? Impressive
He has mostly Persian ancestry and has also traced a lineage to Afghanistan.
Every piece of ancestral evidence he found was Middle Eastern.
So is he more native or less native to England than me, when I have done an in depth DNA test and have an Anglo Saxon name?
My town is fine, Scottish government have recently said they need to increase their working population so there could be good in specific areas too.Did you have any particular places in mind that you want all the foreigners to go to? Out of interest how far is it from where you live?
They can move next door to me as far as I’m concerned.
I know what you’re insinuating and it’s what children do whenever the immigration debate comes up. It seems to be either mass immigration with no borders or you’re racist, there’s no in between.
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I said it is reasonable to want natives to be the majority.
And this is best achieved by limiting the numbers coming in and specifically encouraging those that are to find homes in certain parts of the country.
Again, define ‘native’ and we can do this dance all over again.
By your measure and statements, Bolton born Amir Khan is not a native and thus would not be welcome in your area. Nor indeed, others like Amir Khan in case it made your area a majority of non-native people.
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My town is fine, Scottish government have recently said they need to increase their working population so there could be good in specific areas too.
They can move next door to me as far as I’m concerned.
I know what you’re insinuating and it’s what children do whenever the immigration debate comes up. It seems to be either mass immigration with no borders or you’re racist, there’s no in between.
Mate, you just invented a measure that decreed all areas must be majority ‘native’ and ‘native’ means tracing your lineage back to a bunch of invading Frenchman.
I think rational thought left this conversation we you came up with your ‘how to tell a true Englishman’ test.
Hey hang on, that’s a huge jump and not what I’ve said at all.Again, define ‘native’ and we can do this dance all over again.
By your measure and statements, Bolton born Amir Khan is not a native and thus would not be welcome in your area. Nor indeed, others like Amir Khan in case it made your area a majority of non-native people.
I’ve defined Native already, Amir Khan would be welcome in my area and I’ve specifically said British citizens should be treated exactly the same, regardless of background.
So why the post above mate?
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This is a great thread btw. Trans discussion yesterday. You can only be English ‘if you have French blood’ today.
Top stuff.
Top stuff.
Before the invading Frenchmen… however they were of Scandinavian descent the Normans :-)Mate, you just invented a measure that decreed all areas must be majority ‘native’ and ‘native’ means tracing your lineage back to a bunch of invading Frenchman.
I think rational thought left this conversation we you came up with your ‘how to tell a true Englishman’ test.
Again, you’re putting words on the end of me fingers that just aren’t there.
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Hey hang on, that’s a huge jump and not what I’ve said at all.
I’ve defined Native already, Amir Khan would be welcome in my area and I’ve specifically said British citizens should be treated exactly the same, regardless of background.
So why the post above mate?
Love to see that convo over the garden fence.
”Nice to see you Amir, now just to say you’re not a native of this country so let’s not have any of those fancy Persian ways of yours, okay?”
”I’m from Bolton, mate.”
”Yes, I know you’re from Bolton, but unlike me you‘re not proper Anglo-Saxon stock are you? You’ve still got that Persian blood in your veins and we don’t want any of that funny Persian nonsense or fancy stuff around here. We are proper natives you see, and we do proper Anglo-Saxon stuff around here! Anyway, welcome to the area, we’re off for Chicken Balti and naan bread supper. Catch you later.”
You’ve got a wild imagination Bob.Love to see that convo over the garden fence.
”Nice to see you Amir, now just to say you’re not a native of this country so let’s not have any of those fancy Persian ways of yours, okay?”
”I’m from Bolton, mate.”
”Yes, I know you’re from Bolton, but unlike me you‘re not proper Anglo-Saxon stock are you? You’ve still got that Persian blood in your veins and we don’t want any of that funny Persian nonsense or fancy stuff around here. We are proper natives you see, and we do proper Anglo-Saxon stuff around here! Anyway, welcome to the area, we’re off for Chicken Balti and naan bread supper. Catch you later.”
I’d probably just ask him about his boxing career.