The Boxing thread

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Johnson is responsible for a lot of things, but he didn’t get beaten tonight.

Blummin' conservatives ruining our boxing as usual........... ;-)

 

[SWPISHOME]

What a performance from Usyk last night the man is an absolute machine! Possibly the best I've ever seen his head movement, footwork, timing of shots he's porn of the boxing world, Had the luxury of seen him in the flesh against Bellew thankfully!

I was 100% convinced he would beat Joshua last night and boy did he put on a show, Joshua got his arse handed to him he's nothing but a big shit static robot.
I'd say Tyson Fury was raging last night watching it too, I hope this puts the whole Joshua v Fury debate to bed now once and for all, Joshua shouldn't be named in the same bracket as Fury! Fury would take the piss out of Joshua for 12 rounds completely go to town on him.

Anyway, I hope Usyk takes over now he's capable of beating absolutely anybody he fears nobody and rightly so.

GET IN USYK!

 

[chesterbells]

AJ loses rematch as well, he did absolutely nothing effective

very worrying McCraken after round 10 saying “ just stay steady behind your jab “

everyone knew he was Mike behind on the cards and should be getting read the riot act “ you’re gonna lose your title if you don’t knock him out “

AJ not willing to take a couple to get in and make his size count, tried to simply box a better boxer with over 300 amateur fights

dillian Whyte gives Usyk a lot more problems than AJ

That point about the poor advice during the fight from Joshua’s team in the corner was what struck me too. Kept giving him specific technical advice, which is fine as far as it goes (except it wasn’t working), but nothing about the bigger picture aka you need to stop him here, you’re behind.

 

[SWPISHOME]

That point about the poor advice during the fight from Joshua’s team in the corner was what struck me too. Kept giving him specific technical advice, which is fine as far as it goes (except it wasn’t working), but nothing about the bigger picture aka you need to stop him here, you’re behind.

Absolutely shocking advice in Joshua corner for the entire night, Poor night all round from Joshua and his team, Tactics for the fight from round 1 onwards along with poor advice all night.
I genuinely don't think Joshua couldn't get a stoppage from round 10 onwards he had absolutely nothing left in the tank and could of easily been stopped himself.

 

[chesterbells]

Absolutely shocking advice in Joshua corner for the entire night, Poor night all round from Joshua and his team, Tactics for the fight from round 1 onwards along with poor advice all night.
I genuinely don't think Joshua couldn't get a stoppage from round 10 onwards he had absolutely nothing left in the tank and could of easily been stopped himself.

Agreed mate - but he should at least have been told that was where things were at.
But yeah, poor advice all night.

 

[i8rags]

Read Roy Jones comments from ringside during commentary, said he’s never been impressed by AJ, despite some very selective opponents and been rocked by many. Then listed examples, was bemused as to how AJ had filled stadiums on many occasions when he actually offers little entertainment.

 

[Marlo]

Wilder was only picked to beat Fury because Fury was out of shape. The whole reason that fight happened. Wlad was picked to beat AJ too and there's not a name on Fury's resume that AJ wouldn't beat either. You don't get to where AJ got to without having something special at the speed he did it(faster than Fury and he boxed since 10 years old).

AJ has unified titles, defended multiple times against mandataries. Fury is yet to do either. He beat Wlad, ducked the rematch, came back had a few tune-ups and fought a protected hype job with one good punch. Since coming back the only fights of note he's had are Wilder and Otto Wallin(AJ's old sparring partner for the Charles Martin fight) who caused him more problems than he should have(other fighters would have been slated for that).

Usyk beats Fury IMO. When has Fury ever been in with someone with better footwork than him and faster hands? He's not outboxing Usyk and he's definitely not knocking him out. He wont take that fight, he'll downplay it, he wasn't even going to fight AJ IMO.

Agree with a lot this but I think Fury could cause Usyk more problems. Fury would be clinching him and leaning on him, think it would be difficult for Usyk to to combat that for 12 rounds.

If people want to see why boxers are so concerned about losing, read this thread. A lot of boxing fans see losses as some incurable career disease, not forgetting the best boxers like SRR or Ali all had losses. This idea that as soon as you lose you are terrible boxer who is unbelievably shit has to change. I blame Mayweather for it personally!!!

 

[Metalartin]

Agree with a lot this but I think Fury could cause Usyk more problems. Fury would be clinching him and leaning on him, think it would be difficult for Usyk to to combat that for 12 rounds.

If people want to see why boxers are so concerned about losing, read this thread. A lot of boxing fans see losses as some incurable career disease, not forgetting the best boxers like SRR or Ali all had losses. This idea that as soon as you lose you are terrible boxer who is unbelievably shit has to change. I blame Mayweather for it personally!!!

Yeah that's true, the "somebodies 0's gotta go" started in Floyd's era. You'd think the newtworks and promotional companies would have cottoned on that people have lost interest in the sport because of it. Instead, Mayweather's former manager(Al Haymon) started a Boxer-events management company(The PBC) that has made protecting fighters part of their ethos. Instead of giving the fans the fights they want to see, they want to instead do things in house as much as possible. Then they try and make those the fights people want to see via hype tactics(hence their poor PPV performances). When people complain about not getting the fights they want to see, they play a game by using the media to suggest the other fighter is ducking wherever possible. They tried that with Crawford vs Spence for as long as they could but now everybody can see what's really going on. More recently, they had people believing Canelo was ducking Plant. The only surprise is that deal finally got done after walking away from it twice. Lets just hope nobody(cough-plant-cough) has to pull out because I'm looking forward to that.

Today, people are acting like AJ is finished. Even those who predicted Usyk to win because he's a great boxer. After Usyk did win, it's almost as if any other top 10 heavyweight would walk right through him with the energy they are bringing to AJ. AJ losing to a great boxer doesn't suddenly mean he's average, he still beats most if not all of the rest.

As for Fury, I'm not so sure clinching and leaning would be enough to deal with Usyk for him, in what would be a boxing match, that goes to the cards. I don't see Fury being able to keep Usyk on the outside with the jab all fight either(moves too well, knows too much for that to work) but I don't think that fight happens anyway.

 

[Paul1970]

I said that because of this: "I’m pretty sure you’re a big AJ fan but he basically gave up tonight"

I like AJ but that's neither here nor there since I'm a fan of both fighters. That looked a subtle attempt to suggest I'm an AJ superfan(fanboy as they are known in the boxing community). I found that rich, since you've been quite defensive of Fury, dismissing Usyk as a "a blown up Cruiserweight with an average KO record". It almost looked like you were saying Wilder was a bigger risk to his 0 than Usyk would be. I don't think Fury will fight Usyk, at least not while he has his 0 to protect. Not because he thinks he'll be knocked out by him. I just don't think he fancies his chances of being able to out box Usyk and he's not knocking him out either. I think most would rather face Wilder because he's more beatable, he's not been avoided, he's been protected. You also said "Whyte gives Usyk a lot more problems than AJ", which I also disagree with.

I think it's more strange you think I must be an AJ super fan because I think it's a silly thing to do to call AJ "average" or make out he doesn't have the heart of a fighter and that he "gave up". I like AJ but I'm a boxing fan first, I just don't like to see these false narratives and double standards. I think I pretty much called it earlier on this thread a few days before the fight, it was a lose lose for AJ. He wouldn't have got the credit if he knocked him out and people would use a loss to say he was never any good. That's pretty much what I said and the latter is exactly what some people are doing.

Criticising ranked opponents with credible boxing resumes of their own for AJ's wins, whilst rating Wilder as a massive win for Fury. If you think it's worth more that Wilder was "ranked in the top 3"(Wlad was ranked in the top 2 when AJ fought him if I remember right) without actually beating any top 10 opponents himself outside of Ortiz, who shouldn't have been ranked that high either(how is he still in any top 10? I don't get it). Isn't that double standards? Also, if you don't think the main reason AJ didn't get to Wilder first was first of all because Wilder was a protected fighter(like a lot of PBC title holders). While secondly believing, the fact that Wilder admitted he ducked AJ when he said to Fury "I was offered more money to fight AJ but I honoured my word with you" was worth anything. If you believe all that, then are in the tiny minority if you are the hardcore boxing fan you claim to be. Wilder does have a punchers chance but AJ could both outbox and knock Wilder out and he's not the only one that could do that to Wilder at HW.

Joshua is a very good fighter but last night he was beaten by a fighter who was levels above him and you are right about about fury aswell because usyk beats him easily aswell. The only way you beat usyk is by going in there and actually trying to go to war with him which again may not guarantee the win but at least you have a chance because outboxing him is not going to happen. Not very often you see elite fighters come around so make the most of it and enjoy. And don’t forget in 19 pro fights with his guy has unified cruiserweight and has 3 heavyweight belts .

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Read Roy Jones comments from ringside during commentary, said he’s never been impressed by AJ, despite some very selective opponents and been rocked by many. Then listed examples, was bemused as to how AJ had filled stadiums on many occasions when he actually offers little entertainment.

Fair and reasoned - to be fair to Joshua he has maximised a very lucrative career riding the crest of a wave from the Olympics and on relatively limited talent...........