United Thread - 2021/22

[Newman Noggs]

Must of been some intense negotiations going on,or do you think it was a case of....."just give him what he wants"?

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Hmmm, what's most interesting is that Lineker is mates with Woodward. No wonder they are never criticised on his shows for their egregious transfer policy and shocking performances

 

[ancoats]

Non voting shares.

so worthless hahahaha

how can you have all them different meaningless shares its just another way taking the money out of the club
lovely jubbly

 

[ancoats]

Hmmm, what's most interesting is that Lineker is mates with Woodward. No wonder they are never criticised on his shows for their egregious transfer policy and shocking performances

BBC, skysports, BTsports, ONE POT TO PISS IN

 

[Bantamgaz]

I never mentioned in my post that David Moyes is or was a manager at that level. What I said was he should of been given more time to get it right because he has a style of play and his teams have an identity and if that didn't work then so be it. His was given a 6 year contract which was silly in the first place so why chuck him out after 6 or 7 months or whatever it was. As for his record against big clubs the likes of Everton, West Ham along with other mid table teams don't have good records against the big teams anyway, Unfortunately Moyes used to beat us a lot under Everton and didn't do much against anyone else bar the odd win here and there.

We brought in Mark Hughes basically to get us better and get us in and around the top 6, Followed by a better manager Mancini we had a to then get us Champions League spots and he also won us the title, We give again and get a manager with a brilliant record of doing well in Europe with lesser sides Pellegrini and then followed by Pep we had a process from day one...
Rags problem is the want it all NOW when they should of used Moyes as a stepping stone given him an opportunity to see where he could take them and then make a step up in manager to go again that extra step.
Rags are trying to do everything in one/two seasons and it's never going to work.

Could you ever see Moyes getting it right though ????? To me he is a decent midtable manager to maybe pushing for the top 6 anything else he gets found out ........... how many time did Everton bottle big games ??????
United should have gone for the best out there and with Moyes they never did and that was all down to Fergie and no doubt the same will happen to Ole .........if they would have kept with Van Gal or Mourinho they may have had a chance but they need yes men and Ole is perfect for it ................like Arsenal years ago they are a club run by owners that want a top 4 finish winning trophies doesn’t matter to them lot ...............

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Could you ever see Moyes getting it right though ????? To me he is a decent midtable manager to maybe pushing for the top 6 anything else he gets found out ........... how many time did Everton bottle big games ??????
United should have gone for the best out there and with Moyes they never did and that was all down to Fergie and no doubt the same will happen to Ole .........if they would have kept with Van Gal or Mourinho they may have had a chance but they need yes men and Ole is perfect for it ................like Arsenal years ago they are a club run by owners that want a top 4 finish winning trophies doesn’t matter to them lot ...............

They tried going for the best out there when Pep was on a sabbatical. Old piss can Fergie called him up, Pep never returned the call.

 

[Mid Wales blue]

they are the none voting shares hahahahhahaha worthless

Unless you are a blood sucking Glazer sibling!

Long may it last.

:-)

 

[SWPISHOME]

Could you ever see Moyes getting it right though ????? To me he is a decent midtable manager to maybe pushing for the top 6 anything else he gets found out ........... how many time did Everton bottle big games ??????
United should have gone for the best out there and with Moyes they never did and that was all down to Fergie and no doubt the same will happen to Ole .........if they would have kept with Van Gal or Mourinho they may have had a chance but they need yes men and Ole is perfect for it ................like Arsenal years ago they are a club run by owners that want a top 4 finish winning trophies doesn’t matter to them lot ...............

I don't think Moyes would of won them a league title but I just think he was hard done by been turfed out after a few months, Plus it was Ferguson who recommended Moyes which is even more surprising that he was gone so quickly. Although the Rags were currently the Champions at that stage Ferguson knew what he was doing finishing up, He left Moyes with a pretty poor aging squad. As you said Ole is a yes man and that's what the owners want, Ole knows he's out of his depth and won't stand up to them or he will lose his job.
What is happening at United now is like than just needing a new manager it's a total revamp from the owners, board, manager, staff and players ect
They are so many years away from winning a title hopefully they don't go near it again in our lifetime, It too us 44 years, Liverpool 30 years...

 

[Blootoof]

That sounds like the derby when they carried on playing until they scored the winner - scheduled 4 minutes turned into 7 with Fergie in the fourth officials ear. The birth of Fergie time.

Piss-can time goes as far back as 92 with elephant man's 'cough' late, late late winner. Probably even earlier in that very season as Sky/FA were desperate for these twats to win the league that year.

 

[goalmole]

Now the fans who have been shouting for part fan ownership can but the shares. Let's see if they put up or shut up

Where's the fun in that?
They'll do neither.
Cue more of the same.

 

[bluemonkey71]

And an hour into the trading day, now off nearly 15%.

Can Mansour please get on the phone and buy the lot. Knock it down and put a sewage factory in its place.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Can Mansour please get on the phone and buy the lot. Knock it down and put a sewage factory in its place.

In its place?

 

[jacko74]

City fans feel this because they did us a couple of times last season, but it's a bit of a myth from the 19-20 season. Their form against the "big six" last year was as average as their form everywhere else: 11 points, 2 wins, 5 draws, 3 losses and a goal difference of -3, not to mention dropping out of Europe at the first hurdle. Even in 19-20, where that myth comes from, there are lots of variables (Lampard's Chelsea, Spurs sacking their manager and all their players having a point to prove against a Mourinho Spurs a few weeks after he'd been brought in, us losing home and away to them).

I wasn't particularly referring to their games against the big 6... plenty of supposed 'lesser' teams play them off the park but get sucker punched with goals/pens on the break.

 

[34yearsandstillgoingstrong]

Given the Glaizers announcement that they are placing 9.5M of their shares on the secondary market I thought it might be useful to clarify a few points :
ManUre "A" Shares ( 43.3M paid up and issued )
Same par value as the "B" shares i.e. $0.0005 or to put it another way 2000 to the $ ( see below ! )
Same Dividend as the "B" Shares (£10M in total -last accounting year - £24M previous year )
ONE vote per share ( against TEN for the "B" Shares )
These "A" shares are traded on the NASDAQ and the price ( varies minute to minute ) is the one quoted in these posts
The Glazers owned 5% of these A shares ( they have to convert their "B" shares to "A" shares to sell them )
60% of the "A" shares are owned by ( just ) 3 entities -Baron / Lindsell / Massachusetts
ManUre "B" Shares ( 119.7M paid up and issued )
Par value- as above
Dividend- as above
TEN Votes per share - the Glaizer Family wholly control the "B" shares and so retain almost total control
As above - to sell their "B" shares they must convert them to "A" shares ( and so diluting their voting power)

Sorry that this is so technical and I'm no expert but I add a few (personal) observations in the hope that I might generate a few more informed comments as to what the Glaizer's intentions might be ( bless them ! )
(1) The par value is crucial to understanding the Glaizers : their capital input into ManUre is a mammoth £59,000!
Man City Shares have a par value of £1 and the good Sheikh's capital input into Man City is £1,316,000,000 (Compare!)
(2) There really aren't many shareholders in ManU and one can assume that the above mentioned Baron/Lindsell work closely with the Glaizers to maintain the price. Who are Baron/Lindsell . To quote the last auditeds " almost 100% of the shares are owned by (just) 3375 US Shareholders"
(3) The share price - in truth, is of little significance in calculating the value of ManU PLC. The Company has a huge 3rd party debt burden ( unlike City ) and needs to spend a billion on a modern stadium. The value of the club is dependent on what someONE will pay for it. The Glaizers have considered "floating" ManU on the HongKong and the London stock market and ditched the idea. It will be interesting to see where the above mentioned 9.5M shares end up.
(4) Apparently Sheikh Mansour was put off buying Arsenal because their ownership was to complex... so what about ManUre... are they really that attractive a proposition.
Anyway, all too boring, but I hope a few better informed observers can add their thoughts.
Finally, referring to the Rag's last full accounts : they now have 1,100,000,000 supporters / followers ( based on 54000 responses !! )

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Can Mansour please get on the phone and buy the lot. Knock it down and put a sewage factory in its place.

How would we know once the upgrade has taken place............?

 

[Vienna_70]

Piss-can time goes as far back as 92 with elephant man's 'cough' late, late late winner. Probably even earlier in that very season as Sky/FA were desperate for these twats to win the league that year.

I can still remember where I was, when I was listening to that commentary.

Many years later, I mentioned it to a Wednesday supporter, and he knew exactly what I was talking about.

 

[citizen_maine]

How would we know once the upgrade has take place............?

It'll smell better

 

[Marvin]

Ronaldo is a killer for OGS. Any failure we will be pinned on OGS before their fans slowly realise that CR7 is bad news for their club.

 

[KS55]

@34yearsandstillgoingstrong said:
"Finally, referring to the Rag's last full accounts : they now have 1,100,000,000 supporters / followers ( based on 54000 responses !! )"
What are their names?

 

[big gaz]

Given the Glaizers announcement that they are placing 9.5M of their shares on the secondary market I thought it might be useful to clarify a few points :
ManUre "A" Shares ( 43.3M paid up and issued )
Same par value as the "B" shares i.e. $0.0005 or to put it another way 2000 to the $ ( see below ! )
Same Dividend as the "B" Shares (£10M in total -last accounting year - £24M previous year )
ONE vote per share ( against TEN for the "B" Shares )
These "A" shares are traded on the NASDAQ and the price ( varies minute to minute ) is the one quoted in these posts
The Glazers owned 5% of these A shares ( they have to convert their "B" shares to "A" shares to sell them )
60% of the "A" shares are owned by ( just ) 3 entities -Baron / Lindsell / Massachusetts
ManUre "B" Shares ( 119.7M paid up and issued )
Par value- as above
Dividend- as above
TEN Votes per share - the Glaizer Family wholly control the "B" shares and so retain almost total control
As above - to sell their "B" shares they must convert them to "A" shares ( and so diluting their voting power)

Sorry that this is so technical and I'm no expert but I add a few (personal) observations in the hope that I might generate a few more informed comments as to what the Glaizer's intentions might be ( bless them ! )
(1) The par value is crucial to understanding the Glaizers : their capital input into ManUre is a mammoth £59,000!
Man City Shares have a par value of £1 and the good Sheikh's capital input into Man City is £1,316,000,000 (Compare!)
(2) There really aren't many shareholders in ManU and one can assume that the above mentioned Baron/Lindsell work closely with the Glaizers to maintain the price. Who are Baron/Lindsell . To quote the last auditeds " almost 100% of the shares are owned by (just) 3375 US Shareholders"
(3) The share price - in truth, is of little significance in calculating the value of ManU PLC. The Company has a huge 3rd party debt burden ( unlike City ) and needs to spend a billion on a modern stadium. The value of the club is dependent on what someONE will pay for it. The Glaizers have considered "floating" ManU on the HongKong and the London stock market and ditched the idea. It will be interesting to see where the above mentioned 9.5M shares end up.
(4) Apparently Sheikh Mansour was put off buying Arsenal because their ownership was to complex... so what about ManUre... are they really that attractive a proposition.
Anyway, all too boring, but I hope a few better informed observers can add their thoughts.
Finally, referring to the Rag's last full accounts : they now have 1,100,000,000 supporters / followers ( based on 54000 responses !! )

Is this good or bad ?
I'll wait till Prestwich Blue posts, with him I believe and he got me through those court days :-)

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Given the Glaizers announcement that they are placing 9.5M of their shares on the secondary market I thought it might be useful to clarify a few points :
ManUre "A" Shares ( 43.3M paid up and issued )
Same par value as the "B" shares i.e. $0.0005 or to put it another way 2000 to the $ ( see below ! )
Same Dividend as the "B" Shares (£10M in total -last accounting year - £24M previous year )
ONE vote per share ( against TEN for the "B" Shares )
These "A" shares are traded on the NASDAQ and the price ( varies minute to minute ) is the one quoted in these posts
The Glazers owned 5% of these A shares ( they have to convert their "B" shares to "A" shares to sell them )
60% of the "A" shares are owned by ( just ) 3 entities -Baron / Lindsell / Massachusetts
ManUre "B" Shares ( 119.7M paid up and issued )
Par value- as above
Dividend- as above
TEN Votes per share - the Glaizer Family wholly control the "B" shares and so retain almost total control
As above - to sell their "B" shares they must convert them to "A" shares ( and so diluting their voting power)

Sorry that this is so technical and I'm no expert but I add a few (personal) observations in the hope that I might generate a few more informed comments as to what the Glaizer's intentions might be ( bless them ! )
(1) The par value is crucial to understanding the Glaizers : their capital input into ManUre is a mammoth £59,000!
Man City Shares have a par value of £1 and the good Sheikh's capital input into Man City is £1,316,000,000 (Compare!)
(2) There really aren't many shareholders in ManU and one can assume that the above mentioned Baron/Lindsell work closely with the Glaizers to maintain the price. Who are Baron/Lindsell . To quote the last auditeds " almost 100% of the shares are owned by (just) 3375 US Shareholders"
(3) The share price - in truth, is of little significance in calculating the value of ManU PLC. The Company has a huge 3rd party debt burden ( unlike City ) and needs to spend a billion on a modern stadium. The value of the club is dependent on what someONE will pay for it. The Glaizers have considered "floating" ManU on the HongKong and the London stock market and ditched the idea. It will be interesting to see where the above mentioned 9.5M shares end up.
(4) Apparently Sheikh Mansour was put off buying Arsenal because their ownership was to complex... so what about ManUre... are they really that attractive a proposition.
Anyway, all too boring, but I hope a few better informed observers can add their thoughts.
Finally, referring to the Rag's last full accounts : they now have 1,100,000,000 supporters / followers ( based on 54000 responses !! )

Don't know what it all means but it's a like from me on effort alone...........