The Boxing thread

bluemc1 said:
yep in mythical matchups it’s just down to opinions who’s the best ever and with these super sized heavyweights you also have to a little make it P4P

if you pick a 14 1/2 stone, 5ft 10in Marciano up from the 50s and put him in the ring with a 6ft 7in Vlad Klitscho does he win ? Probably not, but Marciano will always be named in most people’s top 10

all about opinions but for me you can’t look beyond Ali. 1967 Ali that beat Cleveland Williams is on another planet

the man fought for 20 years against some of the greatest and hardest hitting heavyweights and was never knocked out, 20 years against fighters of that level and not one lucky punch knockout against him, he was just simply The Greatest
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Personally, I agree with you.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Lewis was a far better boxer than Fury. You also really need to watch some Fraiser, Forman, Tyson and Ali fights if you think Fury is a contender for GOAT. Hes hasnt even beaten all those is his division yet.
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Of course Lewis was. However, would he beat Fury? IMO he would not. And I am 60 mate - I remember all of those old fights and yes there's some greats in there. Of course Fury's CV is nothing like as impressive. I just question whether any of them would beat Fury, and I am not sure they would. Who knows.
 
bluemc1 said:
If Fury fights Usyk next and the bookies have it remotely close I’ll be putting a good lump on Fury, I think he wins it without much trouble
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Without a doubt. You don't have to be a genius to realise that Uysk just isn't big enough. For all his speed and skill, all Fury has to do is lean on him for 10 rounds and then finish him off. If Usyk can still stand up by then, that is.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Without a doubt. You don't have to be a genius to realise that Uysk just isn't big enough. For all his speed and skill, all Fury has to do is lean on him for 10 rounds and then finish him off. If Usyk can still stand up by then, that is.
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Fury’s handspeed far too quick for Usyk to get inside, he’d pick him off at will.
 
west didsblue said:
Irrespective of whether Fury is comparable to the greats of the past I think it’s fantastic that the undisputed best heavyweight in the world is a Manc originally from just a mile or so away from where I live, even if he’s a rag. His recovery from his mental health issues and his subsequent rise to the top is one of the greatest ever sporting stories.
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Tyson born in Wythenshawe (Lancashire) and lived in Styal (Cheshire), so he gets my support everyday of the week.
 
Enjoyable as the fight was, it's not 'the greatest fight ever' by quite a margin.

For example, pick any Hagler fight with 'Sugar' Ray, Hearns and Duran, then come back and say it again.

But, as I said, good fight.

For me, best thing about it was Russel Mora. Such an excellent refereeing display. Yes, the counts seemed slow, but he did for both fighters and allowed the fighters utilise their inside boxing.

He let them fight.

Moras > Bayliss, any day.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Without a doubt. You don't have to be a genius to realise that Uysk just isn't big enough. For all his speed and skill, all Fury has to do is lean on him for 10 rounds and then finish him off. If Usyk can still stand up by then, that is.
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Didn’t we say the same about Joshua against usyk . I think usyk beats fury but that’s my opinion and I could be wrong but one things for sure is that good here fights need to happen .
 
Metalartin said:
AJ is a far better boxer than Wilder, he's just not as good as Usyk(Usyk vs Wilder would be comical btw). AJ still has better feet, better ring IQ, better technique, better combinations, better punch variation and selection and he can finish far better than Fury can. He would hurt Wilder first IMO(better ring IQ and feet) and as soon as that happens Wilder is done for. Wilder has a punchers chance against any of the ring top 10 I will give him that but most of them are good enough to close the distance and catch Wilder on his suspect chin. Wilder was able to catch people on the way in against his semi-professional level of opponents(one of which still nearly knocked Wilder out in his first 10 fights... and people want to compare him to AJ...ycmiu) for 80% of his resume and against the journeymen he was fed for all but 2 of his title defence opponents(annoyed me that he used the "10 title defences" media line in the pressers). But I always suspected he would get found out against any of the true top 10 level boxers. Many of them would have finished Wilder off early(apart from a few of the names that shouldn't be there). I thought Fury let him off the hook and nearly paid the price if anything.
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Fair argument. Completely agree regarding Usyk and Wilder, that would be death by a 1000 cuts. Aj and Wilder I think is closer than that. The one thing I question about AJ is his punch resistance and his own willingness to test his chin, since the Ruiz fight I do wonder if something has gone. I thought he look incredibly tentative in the Usyk fight and at times he looked nervous about taking Usyk shots. Compare that to the AJ who walked through Vlad. Aj is a better boxer than Wilder no doubt, Wilder defence is poor and consist of blocking punches with his face. But that right hand is something else, if he catches AJ I'm not sure he would have the recovery of Fury and then the fight spins on a coin.

But what a great time for HW boxing, you have to hope these 4 fighters face each other, it could be a modern 4 Kings again. I hope to christ over the next 2 years these fights get made.
 
Bigga said:
Enjoyable as the fight was, it's not 'the greatest fight ever' by quite a margin.

For example, pick any Hagler fight with 'Sugar' Ray, Hearns and Duran, then come back and say it again.

But, as I said, good fight.

For me, best thing about it was Russel Mora. Such an excellent refereeing display. Yes, the counts seemed slow, but he did for both fighters and allowed the fighters utilise their inside boxing.

He let them fight.

Moras > Bayliss, any day.
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Tyson vs Wilder was a better fight than Hagler vs Leonard. The latter was a historic occasion but Hagler was below his best on the night.
 
Paul1970 said:
Didn’t we say the same about Joshua against usyk . I think usyk beats fury but that’s my opinion and I could be wrong but one things for sure is that good here fights need to happen .
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When have you ever been right on boxing, Paul? (:

Usyk wouldn't get near him and it would be over quite quickly, to compare the Joshua result is folly, most can see the AJ shortfalls, however he has delusions of grandeur, he’s never been the accomplished boxer, what excited the masses was his ability to bang, post Ruiz one, he feels like he has a point to prove about his skill set.... at least wilder accepts he is one dimensional

Usyk is a phenomenal boxer, but the 4 stone he would be giving up, coupled with fury’s beautiful jab, would be a horrible fight for him!
 
Bigga said:
For me, best thing about it was Russel Mora. Such an excellent refereeing display. Yes, the counts seemed slow, but he did for both fighters and allowed the fighters utilise their inside boxing.

He let them fight.
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I saw it differently. I thought he was too keen to jump in and split them up early on to stop Tyson leaning and slobbering all over Wilder. Should’ve given em more chance to work their way out of the clinch.

As the ref tired as the fight wore on he was less inclined to try and split them and Tyson was able to walk him back to the ropes in a clinch and then free himself and land a shot or two as Wilder reeled backwards.
 
mexico1970 said:
Wilder shown what a heart he's got last night in the ring, his poor behaviour after the fight is what people will remember him for though.
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The casuals might but most boxing fans will
remember his courage in never giving up against a bigger stronger better man even when he was totally exhausted
 
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