United Thread - 2021/22

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alexmcity said:
Their problem is that they are steeped in the past and think that they have to return to their (Ferguson-ian) roots. The problem, however, is that Ferguson had no philosophy and no identity as a way of playing. Ferguson was a great manager, but he was no Cruyff, Sacchi or Pep. He needed help from Queiroz to have success in Europe in his later years. Football has moved away from his ideas about the game, partly because of a certain bald genius.

Truth is, there's no such thing as the United way when it comes to playing football. Being fast and great at counter-attacking are things which are implemented by many teams, e.g., Liverpool. The trick is to be able to do fast transitions without losing the ball cheaply and without being all over the place when that happens. Otherwise, you are too open and vulnerable to counters. The PL has changed dramatically since Pep's arrival. Many teams are very good at possession and know better how to resist counters.
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Thing with fergie was he was a bully and must of had an A level in psychology! With banning a reporter to the bbc also Laying into the referees continually and going to all the referees meeting to! One of his tricks was to absolutely lay into a referee then next day ring them up all apologetic! Once he had the referees and the media in his pocket mid 90’s it was a doddle to win all those trophies!
 
The good thing is, that they need a manager who’s in it for the long haul, but probably won’t get immediate results or trophies now. Solskjaer doesn’t count as he’s not enough of a coach or manager to implement a style of play, so to speak.

As long as they keep trying to fall back on the glory days, they’ll only come up with a cup run or two.

Their fan base and board, as they are, won’t accept a manager who needs to strip the squad bare, acquire like-minded personnel and build their play back up from the bottom. It’d take too long for “the brand”.

And that’s the beauty of it. Chelsea and us can one day look for new managers as it’s all there, every year.
 
Nihilist said:
Conte is a good manager but theres too many egos at United to clash with his own big ego. It will be the Mourinho episode all over again IMO.
What do you think he will do when he sees Ronaldo, Pogba , Greenwood , Bruno play for themselvs and not the team ? When he joined Inter he got rid of Icardi , even tho' he was their best scorer , he wanted a "healthy envinronment"
Theres gonna be circus and he won't make it to the 2nd season.
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This for me also, theres no way Conte is the long term fix they need. They are going to need someone to go in there for 5 seasons, rip the guts out of it and start fresh. They are going to have to get used to mid table mediocrity for many more years. Its going to cost a fuckload of money as most if not all of the expensive bandaids are going to have to go. Its a wonderful thing.
 
Nihilist said:
Rio foul for that
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Ferdinand mocks Scholes after Utd legend was caught biting daughter's toenails

RIO FERDINAND has joined in on the mocking of Paul Scholes after the Manchester United legend was filmed biting his daughter’s toenails. The ex-Red Devils midfielder has been teased online af…
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Why does that deformed-looking twat have to have his two-pennorth on everything rag? You cannot flick through a paper without seeing his contorted facial features somewhere. The tabloids in particular seem to have a fondness for informing their readers of his latest view on something concerning the rags, and if it's not him it's Ratboy and Spitty preaching from their respective pulpits about the Trafford Red Sox.
 
KentBlue said:
Why does that deformed-looking twat have to have his two-pennorth on everything rag? You cannot flick through a paper without seeing his contorted facial features somewhere. The tabloids in particular seem to have a fondness for informing their readers of his latest view on something concerning the rags, and if it's not him it's Ratboy and Spitty preaching from their respective pulpits about the Trafford Red Sox.
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Because he is a utd icon apparently
 
TFC said:
This for me also, theres no way Conte is the long term fix they need. They are going to need someone to go in there for 5 seasons, rip the guts out of it and start fresh. They are going to have to get used to mid table mediocrity for many more years. Its going to cost a fuckload of money as most if not all of the expensive bandaids are going to have to go. Its a wonderful thing.
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Yep, their best hope is that they have a root and branch reset, remove Ferguson from the board, treat their ex players like we treat, say, Dunne (somewhere between in house media and helping training with the younger kids), and hope that in three years time Pep and Klopp have moved on and that they've built enough of a base throughout the club, including the youth and women's side of the game, that they are in a position to challenge then and only then. Not sure anyone at that club is ready for that yet, though, and even if they are they will be accused of being "toxic" pretty fucking quickly cos all of Ferguson's mates will be in the media moaning about not getting the red carpet treatment.
 
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The dailymail claiming the 5-0 drubbing from the scousers is worse than the 6-1 drubbing the rags received from us, I just don't get the media's obsession with trying to re-write history. The 6-1 came when the rags were still considered a powerhouse in world football, it happened under the watch of "the great" feggie , it happened to a team that had just played in the ucl final about a year ago, It happened to the current PL CHAMPIONS at the time . At the current state the rags are in, you really get no points for beating them 5-0 or even 10-0, beating them right now just highlights how bad they have been for the past 8 years, however absolutely destroying them back in 2012 signified a power shift, we shook them to their core and wrestled power from them.

The media loves going on about the famous "knocked them off ther perch '" speech, well the 6-1 was our own "knock them off their perch" moment and looking back now its clear to see that we have well and truly knocked the rags off their perch but hey the scousers beat a team that has been in free fall for the last 8 years,truly the greatest performance in the history of the PL......at least that's the story the media are peddling.
 
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i♥city said:
The dailymail claiming the 5-0 drubbing was worse than the 6-1 drubbing they received, I just don't get the media's obsession with trying to re-write history. The 6-1 came when the rags were still considered a powerhouse in world football, it happened under the watch of "the great" feggie , it happened to a team that had just played in the ucl final about a year ago. At the current state the rags are in, you really get no pints for beating them 5-0 or even 10-0, beating them right now just highlights how bad they have been for the past 8 years, however absolutely destroying them back in 2012 signified a power shift, we shook them to their core and wrestled power from them.

The media loves going on about the famous "knocked them off ther perch '" speech, well the 6-1 was our own "knock them off their perch" moment and looking back now its leae to see that we have well and truly knocked the rags off their perch but hey the scousers beat a team that has been in free fall for the last 8 years,truly the greatest performance in the history of the PL......at least that's the story the media are peddling.
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I dunno, they're probably painful in different ways for them, but as a single one off result I get why some might see Sunday as worse. They were on the backfoot from the first minute and the game was over by half time. They were still in competition with us, and by any measure Liverpool are light years ahead of them.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I dunno, they're probably painful in different ways for them, but as a single one off result I get why some might see Sunday as worse. They were on the backfoot from the first minute and the game was over by half time. They were still in competition with us, and by any measure Liverpool are light years ahead of them.
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Yep think we scored 3 goals in the last 5 mins! Scousers fucked them up from there first goal.
 
Reading sadcafe & speaking to Utd m8s they have fully given up on ole! Lol

they expect defeats at Spurs & believe we could score 8 against them. :-)

sadly we should of scored 8 on the last few occasions we have played them yet they have walked away with the points.

I really hope pep goes for them this time. We have had so many opportunities to totally finish them off. Defeats at Spurs & v us could set them into a relegation battle
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I dunno, they're probably painful in different ways for them, but as a single one off result I get why some might see Sunday as worse. They were on the backfoot from the first minute and the game was over by half time. They were still in competition with us, and by any measure Liverpool are light years ahead of them.
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Exactly why the defeat we handed out was GREATER than the one they got from the scousers. You don't remember Ali for his fights against the no name boxers, you remember him for his fight against the very competitive fighters and how he outclassed them, the rags right now are a mid-table team, the rags back then were the champions and they put up a fight under the management of "the great" feggie and ermmmm....they got smashed terribly.
 
One of the many problems they have is that they have spent 60+ years cultivating the myth of the "special" club steeped in tradition. They've built what amounts to a theme park around this myth and they are now hamstrung by it.

How can they suddenly acknowledge that "the united way" is a fabrication, that the "class of '92" was actually three excellent players Scholes, Beckham and Giggs while the others were journeymen like the Nevilles and Nicky Butt, but all of whom benefitted from being at the richest club at the time when the PL was formed for that club's benefit 30 years ago ? How can they acknowledge that they are now a sacking club ? How can they acknowledge that now they are just another club in the division ?

In short, how can they pretend that there is anything special about their club at all ?

Ashton's got his work cut out.
 
i♥city said:
Exactly why the defeat we handed out was GREATER than the one they got from the scousers. You don't remember Ali for his fights against the no name boxers, you remember him for his fight against the very competitive fighters and how he outclassed them, the rags right now are a mid-table team, the rags back then were the champions and they put up a fight under the management of "the great" feggie and ermmmm....they got smashed terribly.
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I think we are arguing the same point from a different perspective. City's win was more impressive than Liverpool's win in terms of what it said about where those two clubs are, but from the perspective of United fans Sunday's might be more painful. To borrow your Ali comparison, it's like watching him in 81 against Berbick when he's clearly out of shape, already struggling from bits of brain damage and frankly so far off the pace it's like he's playing a different sport. Painful in different ways, I suppose.

For what it's worth, if I was a United fan I'd still be angrier about the return fixture that same season when Ferguson bottled it playing for a draw because he was terrified of Yaya, they were miserable and didn't even have a shot on target. It's not as well-remembered but I thought that was infinitely more embarrassing for them given that City side might have struggled with the pressure!
 
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