Ref Watch

Is there actually a half decent competent ref in the premier league? I'm struggling to think of one.
 
Bonzo Nododo said:
Naturally but how far does this ring of corruption go? It seems as big as the rings round Saturn.de for the rags
Funnily enough one of Conn's early books talked about money and power in the game including the owner of the mill that employed the staff of Glossop United moved to London, neglecting Glossop for the marble halls of Arsenal.
In the latter chapters it dealt with the big clubs of Div 1 in the 80s changing the rules so they did not have to share the takings with anyone.
Then along came TV and the possibility of the Premier League , tailor made for the rags and most of us know the history since.then. Many don't and are unlikely to find out through our mepdia.
But, Conn's book was very much against the 'Big 4/6' and their methods for cornering all the money but l always gave to ask what made Conn do an about face especially as the money grabbing increases like a stone thrown in a pool.
Or should I ask how much? Did his dumping of City become a necessary part of this?
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It was Glossop North End, not Glossop United, but the story is essentially true. The Glossop chairman was a guy called Samuel Woods, whose family became Hill-Woods somewhere down the line.

The rest is history
 
Chris in London said:
Curle at the swamp around 92

Tevez at home, LC semi final 2011

Vassell at home 07?

Any others in the last 30 years?
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So none for 10 years despite 2 league games a year and several cup games? Wow! I wonder how many they’ve had against us over the same period? When Ashley youngs leg breaker on Sergio isn’t a pen then you know it’s not right
 
Chris in London said:
It was Glossop North End, not Glossop United, but the story is essentially true. The Glossop chairman was a guy called Samuel Woods, whose family became Hill-Woods somewhere down the line.

The rest is history
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Perhaps you were at Eton with the scions of Sir Samuel Hill-Wood to give him his correct style and spelling.
But that was a century ago. I am more interested in modern day football and why Conn having written ad nauseum in the past about the evils of the acquisition of money and power in the game but now turns an apparent blind eye to the power and influence of the TV companies.
Perhaps it is to do with his connection with the Guardian which does have a strange effect on people.
 
Bonzo Nododo said:
Perhaps you were at Eton with the scions of Sir Samuel Hill-Wood to give him his correct style and spelling.
But that was a century ago. I am more interested in modern day football and why Conn having written ad nauseum in the past about the evils of the acquisition of money and power in the game but now turns an apparent blind eye to the power and influence of the TV companies.
Perhaps it is to do with his connection with the Guardian which does have a strange effect on people.
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Nomore booze, bud
 
BringBackSwales said:
So none for 10 years despite 2 league games a year and several cup games? Wow! I wonder how many they’ve had against us over the same period? When Ashley youngs leg breaker on Sergio isn’t a pen then you know it’s not right
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They've actually had three in the last three league visits to the Etihad , one in each 18/19, 19/20 & 20/21 !!
 
bernard o'silver said:
They've actually had three in the last three league visits to the Etihad , one in each 18/19, 19/20 & 20/21 !!
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It would be good to know how many they have had since we last had one. Given the fact we invariably have loads more possession than them it’s an even bigger “coincidence”
 
knuckles said:
Do you collect stats like this for all our games? Be really interesting to see if this really is a trend - I mean I believe it is, but be great to see statistical 'evidence'
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Had a look:

Palace:
1st Half: (0-1)
City - 16 attempted tackles, 6 fouls (with 1 red card), 1 in every 2.6 tackles was a foul.
Palace - 22 attempted tackles, 5 fouls, 1 in every 4.4 tackles was a foul.

At 70 mins: (0-1)
City - 21 attempted tackles, 8 fouls, 1 in 2.62.
Palace - 27 attempted tackles, 7 fouls, 1 in 3.85.

Full-time: (0-2)
City - 33 AT, 11 fouls, 1 in 3.
Palace - 41 AT, 11 fouls, 1 in 3.72.

Brighton:
1st Half: (0-3)
City - 10 AT, 3 fouls, 1 in 3.33.
Brighton - 21 AT, 3 fouls, 1 in 7.

At 70 mins: (0-3)
City - 19 AT, 4 fouls, 1 in 4.75.
Brighton - 31 AT, 10 fouls, 1 in 3.1.

Full-Time: (1-4)
City - 25 AT, 6 fouls, 1 in 4.16.
Brighton - 38 AT, 10 fouls, 1 in 3.8.

Brighton seemingly twice as good at tackling than us first half, magically drops 2nd half when we're 3-0 up and then starts jumping back up as ours drops again once they get a goal back.

Burnley:
1st Half: (1-0)
City - 14 AT, 4 fouls, 1 in 3.5.
Burnley - 10 AT, 2 fouls, 1 in 5.

70 minutes: (2-0)
City - 16 AT, 4 fouls, 1 in 4.
Burnley - 21 AT, 3 fouls, 1 in 7.

Full-Time: (2-0)
City - 27 AT, 11 fouls, 1 in 2.45.
Burnley - 31 AT, 5 fouls, 1 in 6.2.

Again, either hopeless at tackling or something up. Especially the last 20 minutes where we gave away 7 fouls for 11 attempted tackles.

Dippers:
1st Half: (0-0)
City - 10 AT, 3 fouls, 1 in 3.33.
Dippers - 17 AT, 3 fouls, 1 in 5.67.

70 minutes: (1-1)
City - 20 AT, 8 fouls, 1 in 2.5.
Dippers - 28 AT, 6 fouls, 1 4.67.

Full-Time: (2-2)
City - 33 AT, 12 fouls, 1 in 2.75.
Dippers - 41 AT, 10 fouls, 1 in 4.1.

so a clear disparity, which narrowed slightly over the game but it shows how leniently Dippers were reffed, particularly in that first half when they were on the ropes and we were battering. Once they got into the game and were scoring, suddenly it seems the ref was more confident that he could ping them a bit more without hurting them.

Chelsea:
1st Half: (0-0)
City - 16 AT, 3 fouls, 1 in 5.33.
Chelsea - 16 AT, 5 fouls, 1 in 3.2.

70 mins: (1-0)
City - 23 AT, 5 fouls, 1 in 4.6
Chelsea - 21 AT, 6 fouls, 1 in 3.5.

Full-Time: (1-0)
City - 36 AT, 10 fouls, 1 in 3.6.
Chelsea - 34 AT, 12 fouls, 1 in 2.83.

So this is the game where, when we were so dominant in the first-half, we were reffed more leniently by OliVAR compared to Chelsea, however the gap converges as we are 1-0 up and the game heads to its conclusion. A natural drop in the fouls per tackle as a top of the table clash reaches its conclusion, but we come in a lot more.

Rags:
Half-time: (2-0)
City - 17 AT, 8 fouls, 1 in 2.13.
Rags - 18 AT, 1 foul, 1 in 18.

70 minutes: (2-0)
City - 26 AT, 12 fouls, 1 in 2.17.
Rags - 18 AT, 2 fouls, 1 in 9.

Full-Time: (2-0)
City - 28 AT, 12 fouls, 1 in 2.33.
Rags - 38 AT, 9 fouls, 1 in 4.22.

The most extraordinary of the stats, showing how the Rags basically went unchecked until 70 minutes when magically OliVAR decided to start reffing them. As to why? who knows...

So 6 games there, against 3 big rivals and 3 mid-table, non-descript sides. The averages:

Half-Time:
City: 13.8 AT, 4.5 fouls, 1 in 3.07.
Opponent: 17.3 AT, 3.16 fouls, 1 in 5.47.

70 Mins:
City: 20.8 AT, 6.83 fouls, 1 in 3.05.
Opponent: 24.3 AT, 5.67 fouls, 1 in 4.29.

Full-Time:
City: 30.3 AT, 10.3 fouls, 1 in 2.94.
Opponent: 37.2 AT, 9.5 fouls, 1 in 3.92.

I think that shows that we are consistently more harshly refereed on a systematic basis. It also shows that in our recent run that refs are reffing the opposition much more leniently in the first-half, perhaps to let's say...keep them in the game, and then depending on the circumstances the trend is to narrow the gap over the game but the opponent still gets the advantage. Either that or the opponent is just really good at tackling in the first half and really bad in the 2nd half.

Or maybe for the Dippers Salah showed up 2nd half and he could ease off, for the Rags an obvious correction was needed to cover it up, and for Brighton we were 3-0 up and they gave up till they scored and suddenly it started changing again.

Make of it what you will, I think it's pretty clear.
 
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