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Healdplace said:
Perhaps it is just anxiety over the jab and its possible effects. Have to say that in the two AZ and one Pfizer jab I have had twice I slept better than in weeks on the night right after it. Though I put that down to me going out on a journey to get them often for the first time in weeks each time. But I have seen others say they slept a lot after the jab too.

Obviously they are going to impact people in different ways so you might just be unlucky. But it is inevitable you will have some subconscious part of your mind looking for some symptoms if you have that concern up front. And at night right afterwards when your conscious mind is less active ypur subconscious might be more engaged in that and come to the fore if you have been worried about the possibilities up front.
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Nah, I’m as chilled as fuck, lol. No anxiety here, no stress, just not tired. As I said doesn’t bother me and if that’s the sum total of my side effects then I’ve no issue.
 
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Well thats me out of action for ten days ffs, felt a bit groggy today, so did a test after my run home, luckily the mrs and kids have also done a test and are clear.
Ten days confined to the bedroom, thank fuck the international break is nearly over
 
Had a Pfizer booster yesterday at the

felt rough today, arm sore and a really bad back.

feeling better now though
 
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Well thats me out of action for ten days ffs, felt a bit groggy today, so did a test after my run home, luckily the mrs and kids have also done a test and are clear.
Ten days confined to the bedroom, thank fuck the international break is nearly over
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I hope you have a swift recovery but shouldn't be getting this confirmed with a PCR test, to be certain?
 
Marvin said:
I hope you don't get it. I had it recently. 5 out of 7 people in two households got it including 4 adults who were all double vaxed. I got it bad but only briefly.

I am due my booster in a fortnight. I don't think I need it but I will take every vaccination going.

Pleased to see the boosters being extended. I hope they make it available to all adults over time because I want to see the maximum possible immunity in the population. I haven't understood why we're using a vaccine that wanes over time but presumably they haven't been able to develop anything better.
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This is only my opinion but I don't think that there is a major problem with waning immunity. It's more likely that many infections would of happened anyway irrespective of time vaccinated because these vaccines were never designed vs Delta. If waning immunity was a big problem then I think we'd be seeing A LOT of hospitalisations and deaths.

The recent case booms probably happened because the UK initially mostly relied on the AZ vaccine for vaccinations and the AZ vaccine is one of the worst vaccines for Delta which emerged in April/May. It's still effective, but not as effective as others.

The biggest change really for the boosters is that most of the people who got AZ will now get Modern or Pfizer which could have a big impact on cases over the winter compared to last summer.
 
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inbetween said:
This is only my opinion but I don't think that there is a major problem with waning immunity. It's more likely that many infections would of happened anyway irrespective of time vaccinated because these vaccines were never designed vs Delta. If waning immunity was a big problem then I think we'd be seeing A LOT of hospitalisations and deaths.

The recent case booms probably happened because the UK initially mostly relied on the AZ vaccine for vaccinations and the AZ vaccine is one of the worst vaccines for Delta which emerged in April/May. It's still effective, but not as effective as others.

The biggest change really for the boosters is that most of the people who got AZ will now get Modern or Pfizer which could have a big impact on cases over the winter compared to last summer.
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Cases are around 40k most days because people are mixing a lot more and everything is open. That’s said the R rate for England was estimated to have fallen to between 0.8 to 1 (but that was at 12 Nov).
 
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inbetween said:
This is only my opinion but I don't think that there is a major problem with waning immunity. It's more likely that many infections would of happened anyway irrespective of time vaccinated because these vaccines were never designed vs Delta. If waning immunity was a big problem then I think we'd be seeing A LOT of hospitalisations and deaths.

The recent case booms probably happened because the UK initially mostly relied on the AZ vaccine for vaccinations and the AZ vaccine is one of the worst vaccines for Delta which emerged in April/May. It's still effective, but not as effective as others.

The biggest change really for the boosters is that most of the people who got AZ will now get Modern or Pfizer which could have a big impact on cases over the winter compared to last summer.
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Based on what i have read ( I am certainly not a doctor so take with a pinch of salt ).

Vaccine/Infection causes Antibodies. for a while after infection the body keeps making antibodies incase its re-exposed quickly. after some time these anti bodies are not made much anymore as the body feels its not got a need to make them.

The Body does how ever have memory cells of the virus, once the memory cells detect the virus again they send the message to start to make Antibodies again. the process can take a few days to get going fully.

Based on the fact that Delta infects so readily I'm personally thinking that by the time the memory cells have done there jobs and the body produces the antibodies the virus has replicated so much that its got a good chance of hitting symtomatic levels before that becomes fully effective. If this is the case im fully expecting a 6/12 month booster program from now on.

This video explains it really well, its an excellent channel for explaining things so layman like me can understand it :) some of there other videos are ace.

 
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One of the funniest things over the past few days is seeing the anti-vaxxers lose their shit over the Tesco Christmas advert because Santa shows his vaccine passport to get into the country and not have to quarantine, meaning he’s free to deliver presents. Anyway, just saying:

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The anti vaxxers are a strange bunch. They are up there with LFC fans. I should not be so harsh though as I genuinely think they need to access mental health support services (that is, the anti vaxxers).
 
Bit worried about getting a vaccince booster following the recent announcement. I am fine with needles. No problem at all. I have had both covid vaccinations and I recently had the flu jab.

However, just a few days ago, I was diagnosed (by deduction) with Bell's Pallsy. In many cases, doctors are unable to establish the cause for the individual. The list of potential causes are lengthy. The only two that I think apply to me are potentially herpes simplex (I have had occasional cold sores since I was a kid) and an overloaded immune system. The fact that I had my flu jab not long before I started suffering with this affliction has made me nervous about adding any other medicines to boost my immune system in the short term. If I have the booster, it will be deep into next year. I wouldn't want this condition again. It's not the most pleasant thing I have had to deal with.
 
What you see on Twitter is I know people who been double treble vaccinated and caught Covid?!

Sorry you are as thick as pig shit!
 
Anybody know if you can walk in for your Booster jab anywhere? I got my vaccination early and was fully jabbed by 12th May. I'm 6 months post that now but I am only 33 with no underlying issues.
 
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Anybody know if you can walk in for your Booster jab anywhere? I got my vaccination early and was fully jabbed by 12th May. I'm 6 months post that now but I am only 33 with no underlying issues.
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Dont think so at the moment and its only going for 40+ at the mo.
 
inbetween said:
This is only my opinion but I don't think that there is a major problem with waning immunity. It's more likely that many infections would of happened anyway irrespective of time vaccinated because these vaccines were never designed vs Delta. If waning immunity was a big problem then I think we'd be seeing A LOT of hospitalisations and deaths.

The recent case booms probably happened because the UK initially mostly relied on the AZ vaccine for vaccinations and the AZ vaccine is one of the worst vaccines for Delta which emerged in April/May. It's still effective, but not as effective as others.

The biggest change really for the boosters is that most of the people who got AZ will now get Modern or Pfizer which could have a big impact on cases over the winter compared to last summer.
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Pfizer data clearly on the booster (randomised placebo controlled, very reliable) shows that there is a 20x (95% efficacy) vs people already previously vaccinated with Pfizer (not against unvaxxed):

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Pfizer boosters show 95.6% efficacy against Covid, study finds

Results hailed as ‘important’ but duration of protection still unknown
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Waning efficacy is very difficult to measure accuracy as controlled studies are not possible. And as you point out, the changing prevalence of delta over the same timeline confounds the estimation of this. But all the evidence points that there is a significant drop in efficacy beyond ~6 months for all vaccines.
 
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RETRACTED: SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical...
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This one needs a bit of deciphering for me. research suggesting that the spike protien is being detected in the nucleus of cells which is causing damage to the DNA repairing mechanics of the body.

One video I saw suggested that this is down to the way the mRNA vaccines are working but when I looked at the actual paper I cant see where that is suggested specifically.

anyone more knowledgable than I fancy taking a look?

On reflection my gut feeling is saying this is a paper stating the spike protien is causing issues but doesn't really mention vaccines so is just a general "Covid" paper. the video I saw was clearly "Oh my god mRNA vaccine blah blah"
 
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The Netherlands is running short of COVID tests amid a surge in positive cases, Dutch health authorities have said.

It comes after more than 20,000 new cases were recorded in the country for the second day in a row - the highest since the pandemic began.

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Families in Hungary have been warned they could face a "very sad Christmas" if the increase in the number of COVID patients being admitted to hospital does not slow down.

The country recorded 10,265 new infections earlier today - its highest daily tally since the end of March.

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Cancelling plans to socialise in the weeks before Christmas would be a "responsible decision," Ireland's chief medical officer has said

Dr Tony Holohan said there could be 200,000 COVID cases by December, but this could be prevented.

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Angela Merkel, who earlier said the COVID situation in Germany is "dramatic".

She told a congress of German city mayors: "The fourth wave is hitting our country with full force.

"The number of daily new infections is higher than ever before... and the daily death toll is also frightening.
 
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