Coronavirus (2021) thread

[ganganvince]

Is this politics ? Sensible comment on distancing in shops, anyway. A number of my mates stopped going to pubs at all in September when you had to sit at a table of the pubs's choosing and stay there and shut up.

Would guess you can shop with a mask on

 

[Chippy_boy]

Here's an interesting thought. In one day, and pretty much every day, maybe a couple of hundred extra people die in France, Spain, Italy, Germany etc, compared to the UK. Something like an additional 1,000 people total.

And they still think partial bans of the AZ vaccine are justified? There's been how many blood clot deaths? 7 in the UK I think. Vs perhaps 200 or 300 fewer COVID deaths, PER DAY.

Do the maths, EU. Do the maths.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I might be wrong but I would assume non-essential shops would require customers to still wear masks, whereas pubs and restaurants, by their very nature, would not be able to do this. It seems sensible to me that shops can open sooner than indoor areas of pubs.

I think a bigger factor in their thinking is that people don't get pissed and behave irresponsibly (as much, anyway) in shops. Hurting Tim Martin's back pocket is just a bonus.

 

[sky tot]

Everything is levels of normality, and trying to keep too many people from taking the piss. We are off to the in-laws shortly for a roast dinner - both of them have had both jabs, me and the missus have had our first. No difference whether we have this dinner now or in 3 months or 3 years time, at some point life goes on.

Similar here , father in law coming round for Sunday lunch , he’s 2 jabbed up & me and Mrs 1 jab each .

 

[Gabriel]

Here's an interesting thought. In one day, and pretty much every day, maybe a couple of hundred extra people die in France, Spain, Italy, Germany etc, compared to the UK. Something like an additional 1,000 people total.

And they still think partial bans of the AZ vaccine are justified? There's been how many blood clot deaths? 7 in the UK I think. Vs perhaps 200 or 300 fewer COVID deaths, PER DAY.

Do the maths, EU. Do the maths.

It’s not an EU decision, it’s down to the individual countries. Similar partial ban is in place in Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5973975

Don’t necessarily agree with it, but each country has to be free to decide for itself.

 

[Healdplace]

Here's an interesting thought. In one day, and pretty much every day, maybe a couple of hundred extra people die in France, Spain, Italy, Germany etc, compared to the UK. Something like an additional 1,000 people total.

And they still think partial bans of the AZ vaccine are justified? There's been how many blood clot deaths? 7 in the UK I think. Vs perhaps 200 or 300 fewer COVID deaths, PER DAY.

Do the maths, EU. Do the maths.

They have. Which is why they are rightly giving it to the older population but not the younger. THAT is an arguable but perfectly reasonable step to take given the data showing the much greater incidence of clots in the under 40s -especially in young women.

My beef with them is not this decision (which I would not be surprised to know the UK has made too but wisely shut up about it whilst research goes on) is the far too public stop start nature of the way they handled this - not good enough for over 60s - um ok yes it is - not good enough for anyone as its a risk- um now okay for over 60s again but not younger people.

That is the perfect way to ensure nobody will take it without at least serious doubts.

Do the research. Give people the appropriate vaccine. But do not keep changing your mind and publicly imply it is about as safe as heroin for anyone to take but better than being dead. Which is in effect what they have achieved,

Obviously not intentionally. But you should be espousing the virtues of THE vaccine not leading people into thinking they have a choice which one to get. That is a disaster as it will dog the entire vaccine programme as and when other issues with other vaccines emerge. As they inevitably will given the rigour with which they are being tested.

You have to get your people to trust the science. Not expect them to understand the science by being way too open with every little thing.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

It’s not an EU decision, it’s down to the individual countries. Similar partial ban is in place in Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5973975

Don’t necessarily agree with it, but each country has to be free to decide for itself.

Each EU country can decide things for itself? That can’t be right.....

 

[BlueAnorak]

I might be wrong but I would assume non-essential shops would require customers to still wear masks, whereas pubs and restaurants, by their very nature, would not be able to do this. It seems sensible to me that shops can open sooner than indoor areas of pubs.

Not just that. When people get a bit tipsy they tend not to follow the rules
Plenty of examples from when pubs were previously open.
Restaurants can open indoors sooner in my opinion but there you go, lines have to be drawn somewhere.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I await the Female contraceptive pill being banned in the EU. It is more dangerous than the OA-Z vaccine - if the CVST effect is causal of course.
Then they will have to ban cars too. The raw chance of dying in a car crash is 1/20,000 every year.

 

[Healdplace]

More huge falls on the Zoe App today. Hard to say if they are real or just less people engaging with the app since it is a bank holiday weekend. Probably at least some of the latter.

But cases down by 183 to 2957!

And symptomatic cases in UK by 2341 in the day to 57, 138.

That is about half the number of symptomatic cases recorded from about 6 weeks ago.

By recent standards big falls in both.