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M18CTID said:
Awful numbers. Hope they start moving in the right direction soon. What sort of percentage of the population have had the jab? And have they started with boosters yet?
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About 65% have had both jabs I think. Under 12s not eligible yet. Boosters started some time ago. My mum (83) had hers over a month ago. I'm due for mine on Christmas Day but will be putting it back a day or two if I can't bring it forward.

Worryingly I think under 80% of over 60s have been vaccinated so I expect hospitalisations and death figures to be pretty bad in the weeks to come.

Situation is made a bit more difficult as we are kind of between governments at the moment.
 
grunge said:
India tried it in the height of there delta wave but have removed it from distribution because it did nothing to help.
www.indiatoday.in

Why HCQ and Ivermectin were removed from India’s Covid-19 treatment protocol

Ivermectin and HCQ were dropped from the clinical guidance after studies found that these drugs have little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in



japans never authorised it as a treatment. That being said Dr Campbell certainly thinks it has even though its not listed on there authorised medications for Covid.
fullfact.org

Japan is not using ivermectin instead of vaccines to treat Covid-19 – Full Fact

The false claim has spread on social media, after appearing on the website of the Hal Turner Radio Show
fullfact.org fullfact.org
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It was only after watching Dr. Campbell’s video yesterday, that prompted me to write what I did. He did an earlier video on India too.
 
bigquinn772 said:
It was only after watching Dr. Campbell’s video yesterday, that prompted me to write what I did. He did an earlier video on India too.
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Yeah fair play, it has to be said that he's seemingly falling for false info in his videos recently. He seems 100% convinced Ivermectin works and is trying to prove it without actually checking his facts anymore and ignoring the double blind trials that seem to always point at it not helping.

I actually emailed him after this japan video to ask where he got his information from for Ivermectin in Japan as its not an approved medication and provided the link to the medicine board website for Japan.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
About 65% have had both jabs I think. Under 12s not eligible yet. Boosters started some time ago. My mum (83) had hers over a month ago. I'm due for mine on Christmas Day but will be putting it back a day or two if I can't bring it forward.

Worryingly I think under 80% of over 60s have been vaccinated so I expect hospitalisations and death figures to be pretty bad in the weeks to come.

Situation is made a bit more difficult as we are kind of between governments at the moment.
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I don't think 65% is much less than ours - I heard somewhere that we've 68% of the population double jabbed, but the key could be the over 60s as you say. Under 80% is worryingly low
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Oh how they ridiculed the AZ jab.

The fucking workhorse of this entire pandemic, now showing itself to the rest of Europe as the best of the bunch.

But it was cheap, you see, didn't fit the agenda.
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I have always been pretty uncomfortable with the actual brand of a vaccine becoming 'a thing'. I've had numerous vaccines over the years, yellow fever, flu etc etc and never once have I known nor cared which pharma company made the jab. One of the most distasteful parts of this pandemic has been the commercial interests clouding the vaccine rollout and making it less optimal than it could have been.

I'm right on the cusp of 39/40 and my first two jabs were AZ, which is actually what I wanted despite all the talk and scaremongering around blood clots and to-ing and fro-ing about whether people my age should have had it. No, particular reason, call it gut feeling but I'm still glad I did and would happily choose an AZ booster if it was an option.

Macron has blood on his hands and should be ashamed of himself for using a life-saving jab as a political football.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Oh how they ridiculed the AZ jab.

The fucking workhorse of this entire pandemic, now showing itself to the rest of Europe as the best of the bunch.

But it was cheap, you see, didn't fit the agenda.
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There's a *lot* of scientists sceptical of Soriot's conjecture that it's the AZ T cells wot won it. I've not read any supporting him.

Get vaxxed, get boosted, don't worry about which one, it's in the noise.
 
M18CTID said:
I don't think 65% is much less than ours - I heard somewhere that we've 68% of the population double jabbed, but the key could be the over 60s as you say. Under 80% is worryingly low
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That 68% is including kids etc who will never get it. From those entitled to it aren’t we close to 90%
 
Has anyone else fallen into the hole of having their first 2 jabs quite early but now they aren't old enough to have the booster? I had my second jab on April 29th, my Mrs works in HR for a social care company and in Feb was offered a chance at spare vaccinations for office employees and friends. We were both put on the list and so I had my first jab early Feb.

The problem now is I'm 7 months down the line, I'm 33 and I have no health conditions that will allow me to get the booster but surely my protection will be low? I do have a high BMI (33) so I'm slightly more at risk than others my age who also probably just had their second jabs within the last few months.

I'm tempted to ring 119 but everything I've read says no. I've heard people say you can go to walk ins but the nearest one is 10 miles away and then they apparently ask you for proof of eligibility?
 
My wife has chronic kidney disease and a weakened immune system. NHS Scotland won't book her booster vaccine even though she is on the original shielding list as both vaccines were administered in NHS England which they have a record for but the system won't let them make the booking. Beyond belief.
 
inbetween said:
Has anyone else fallen into the hole of having their first 2 jabs quite early but now they aren't old enough to have the booster? I had my second jab on April 29th, my Mrs works in HR for a social care company and in Feb was offered a chance at spare vaccinations for office employees and friends. We were both put on the list and so I had my first jab early Feb.

The problem now is I'm 7 months down the line, I'm 33 and I have no health conditions that will allow me to get the booster but surely my protection will be low? I do have a high BMI (33) so I'm slightly more at risk than others my age who also probably just had their second jabs within the last few months.

I'm tempted to ring 119 but everything I've read says no. I've heard people say you can go to walk ins but the nearest one is 10 miles away and then they apparently ask you for proof of eligibility?
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Im old enough to get the booster but im in the "6 month" hole. I cant actually get it for another 2 months.
 
grunge said:
Im old enough to get the booster but im in the "6 month" hole. I cant actually get it for another 2 months.
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I've just rang them and it's a no. They asked why I had it early but unless there's health reasons then I'll have to wait until it comes down to the over 30's group.

I think my gap from the second dose is 7 months next week (had second dose end of April).
 
davealvers said:
I have always been pretty uncomfortable with the actual brand of a vaccine becoming 'a thing'. I've had numerous vaccines over the years, yellow fever, flu etc etc and never once have I known nor cared which pharma company made the jab. One of the most distasteful parts of this pandemic has been the commercial interests clouding the vaccine rollout and making it less optimal than it could have been.

I'm right on the cusp of 39/40 and my first two jabs were AZ, which is actually what I wanted despite all the talk and scaremongering around blood clots and to-ing and fro-ing about whether people my age should have had it. No, particular reason, call it gut feeling but I'm still glad I did and would happily choose an AZ booster if it was an option.

Macron has blood on his hands and should be ashamed of himself for using a life-saving jab as a political football.
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Totally agree on your comments on Macron - spiteful actions to save his political career in my opinion

Re commercial interests - had there been no commercial interest in producing a vaccine we wouldn't be in a position to have as many vaccine options at our disposal right now. These companies also do it for the kudos of being the first to market as you couldn't buy the publicity that Pfizer, Moderna and Biontech have gained through this. Theory is more capital expenditure for ongoing research into other treatments and I see Pfizer are negotiating a cost price arrangement for it's promising anti viral pill for poorer countries - Vaccine and anti viral (similar type to the hiv one) together should spell an endgame for this pandemic.

For me a few of the silver linings we have had through this shitstorm is that the regulators had to work at a very accelerated pace compared to the normal 10 year average to get regulatory approval for a vaccine and hopefully the parallel analysis used for covid during trials will allow them to reconsider analysis/testing on promising existing/future medicines in the pipeline that will change a lot of peoples lives . Also good to see a new type of vaccine be proven to be very effective in the field of immunology with mrna technology which can be extended into the field of cancer treatments. This would easily have taken a decade or so under normal conditions to see the light of day.

Yes, these companies are accountable to their shareholders first but there are also benefits with big pharma that have allowed us to be where we are today.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Totally agree on your comments on Macron - spiteful actions to save his political career in my opinion

Re commercial interests - had there been no commercial interest in producing a vaccine we wouldn't be in a position to have as many vaccine options at our disposal right now. These companies also do it for the kudos of being the first to market as you couldn't buy the publicity that Pfizer, Moderna and Biontech have gained through this. Theory is more capital expenditure for ongoing research into other treatments and I see Pfizer are negotiating a cost price arrangement for it's promising anti viral pill for poorer countries - Vaccine and anti viral (similar type to the hiv one) together should spell an endgame for this pandemic.

For me a few of the silver linings we have had through this shitstorm is that the regulators had to work at a very accelerated pace compared to the normal 10 year average to get regulatory approval for a vaccine and hopefully the parallel analysis used for covid during trials will allow them to reconsider analysis/testing on promising existing/future medicines in the pipeline that will change a lot of peoples lives . Also good to see a new type of vaccine be proven to be very effective in the field of immunology with mrna technology which can be extended into the field of cancer treatments. This would easily have taken a decade or so under normal conditions to see the light of day.

Yes, these companies are accountable to their shareholders first but there are also benefits with big pharma that have allowed us to be where we are today.
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No I do agree with you say - probably badly phrased on my part and more referring to the fact that probable commercial (and political) drivers looking to denigrate the AZ 'product' has caused some serious collateral damage.
 
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