Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Gabriel said:
Interesting piece in the Times this morning about the number of unvaccinated taking up hospital beds and the impact that has on medical staff who cannot treat others requiring immediate care.

Must be a huge challenge on remaining non-judgemental.
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This was covered on Radio 5 this morning too. I think they reported that between 20 - 30% of intensive care beds were being taken up Covid sufferers who were mostly unvaccinated. It’s having a big knock on impact on other health care and operations like you said
 
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Latest from John Burn-Murdoch

- continued very rapid exponential case growth
- too early to say much on severity vs delta; confounding of age profile and prior immunity makes it impossible.

 
waspish said:
Maybe If these antiviral pills work it could mean that in a few years only the vulnerable and elderly will have to have the vaccine like with the flu jab and all the rest of the population who get Covid you have this Antiviral pill that stops them getting really ill and ending up in hospital!?
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Except for the anti anti viral pillers.
 
And a rather technical thread on relative growth vs delta. Using various different methodologies:

Rt ~4 in South Africa quite consistently.
Rt ~3 in the UK.

The UK estimate is very, very uncertain.

These are extremely high numbers corresponding to doubling times well below a week. We need to hope the UK doesn't pan out that way.

 
Gabriel said:
Interesting piece in the Times this morning about the number of unvaccinated taking up hospital beds and the impact that has on medical staff who cannot treat others requiring immediate care.

Must be a huge challenge on remaining non-judgemental.
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Latest ONS stats show the majority of covid hospitalisations and deaths are now vaccinated.
 
hgblue said:
Latest ONS stats show the majority of covid hospitalisations and deaths are now vaccinated.
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1) Do you have a link for that because the latest I can find is this:

fullfact.org

Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated – Full Fact

The vaccines are not perfect, and the vast majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated, so the small proportion who get seriously ill still amount to a lot of people.
fullfact.org fullfact.org



2) It’s also only to be expected given the % of those at risk that vaccinated.
www.theguardian.com

Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

Don’t think of this as a bad sign, it’s exactly what’s expected from an effective but imperfect jab
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
How ridiculous is this?

From 4am 7th December you need to take a test within 48 hours of travelling to the UK.... however, if you're travelling and returning to the UK within 3 days......

From the governments website...

Taking your test in the UK before travel​

If you are returning to the UK within 3 days, you can use the result of a COVID-19 test that you take in the UK before you travel. You must use a private test provider for the test and not an NHS test.

The service on which you will arrive back in the UK must set off for the UK within 3 days of when you took the test.

So you test negative before you go abroad, you then, for example, go to a party and unknowingly catch Covid, but you can come back to the UK without a negative test because you tested negative before you left the UK.... REALLY?
 
waspish said:
Maybe If these antiviral pills work it could mean that in a few years only the vulnerable and elderly will have to have the vaccine like with the flu jab and all the rest of the population who get Covid you have this Antiviral pill that stops them getting really ill and ending up in hospital!?
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The latest data on molnupiravir isn't great, to the extent it only just got approval in the US (13-10 vote). It's a good addition to the armoury, but probably unlikely to be a game changer.

www.reuters.com

U.S. FDA panel narrowly backs Merck's at-home COVID-19 pill

A panel of expert advisers to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday narrowly voted to recommend the agency authorize Merck & Co's antiviral pill to treat COVID-19.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

The initial data from the Pfizer development, Paxlovid looks far better. Hopefully that holds up through review.

Pfizer’s Novel COVID-19 Oral Antiviral Treatment Candidate Reduced Risk of Hospitalization or Death by 89% in Interim Analysis of Phase 2/3 EPIC-HR Study | Pfizer

PAXLOVID™ (PF-07321332; ritonavir) was found to reduce the risk of hospitalization or death by 89% compared to placebo in non-hospitalized high-risk adults with COVID-19 In the overall study population through Day 28, no deaths were reported in patients who received PAXLOVID™ as compared to 10...
www.pfizer.com www.pfizer.com
 
Tim of the Oak said:
This was covered on Radio 5 this morning too. I think they reported that between 20 - 30% of intensive care beds were being taken up Covid sufferers who were mostly unvaccinated. It’s having a big knock on impact on other health care and operations like you said
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It will likely also have an enormous effect on the psychology of hospital staff. Imagine having to save the life of someone whom you know has ignored all medical advice- may even do so in the future- while you refuse treatment to people who have followed advice but now finds themselves in desperate need of treatment. That’s before you think of the psychological impact on the bereaved families. How do they perceive ‘society’ per se after witnessing their family member tossed aside?
 
Gabriel said:
It will likely also have an enormous effect on the psychology of hospital staff. Imagine having to save the life of someone whom you know has ignored all medical advice- may even do so in the future- while you refuse treatment to people who have followed advice but now finds themselves in desperate need of treatment. That’s before you think of the psychological impact on the bereaved families. How do they perceive ‘society’ per se after witnessing their family member tossed aside?
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Correct. It’s a lot complicated and damaging than the number of Covid admissions and deaths etc.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
How ridiculous is this?

From 4am 7th December you need to take a test within 48 hours of travelling to the UK.... however, if you're travelling and returning to the UK within 3 days......

From the governments website...

Taking your test in the UK before travel​

If you are returning to the UK within 3 days, you can use the result of a COVID-19 test that you take in the UK before you travel. You must use a private test provider for the test and not an NHS test.

The service on which you will arrive back in the UK must set off for the UK within 3 days of when you took the test.

So you test negative before you go abroad, you then, for example, go to a party and unknowingly catch Covid, but you can come back to the UK without a negative test because you tested negative before you left the UK.... REALLY?
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That's how it's been for a long time, i went Porto on that 3 day return Covid test result
 
BigJoe#1 said:
How ridiculous is this?

From 4am 7th December you need to take a test within 48 hours of travelling to the UK.... however, if you're travelling and returning to the UK within 3 days......

From the governments website...

Taking your test in the UK before travel​

If you are returning to the UK within 3 days, you can use the result of a COVID-19 test that you take in the UK before you travel. You must use a private test provider for the test and not an NHS test.

The service on which you will arrive back in the UK must set off for the UK within 3 days of when you took the test.

So you test negative before you go abroad, you then, for example, go to a party and unknowingly catch Covid, but you can come back to the UK without a negative test because you tested negative before you left the UK.... REALLY?
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Do you not have to retest within 2 days of return?
 
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