Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Healdplace said:
England hospital data today. Patients up 35 to 6027. Last Tuesday they were up 29 to 6123 - so as you see pretty flat now. North West up today 22 to 818 - last week up just 4.

North East & Yorkshire are the areas where patient numbers are really dropping day to day and week to week and are low in cases and on Zoe too.

London is the area rising the most at present. Indeed both it and South East have been so far ahead of the North West lately they both just overtook North West as the regions with the most cases across the full pandemic which had been North West due to its population density I guess from the start.

Anyone know the Omicron cases in these separate regions as they are behaving very differently at the moment?
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I question the view that London has not had the most positives. Testing only started after it had ripped through the capital in March and April 2020. I just cannot see why the NW or any other region would have had more positives. In terms of population density, I would think it is much higher in London.

As for increased hospitalisations in London, I would suggest that is due to the much lower vaccination rates (first, second and boosters) in the capital.
 
Healdplace said:
England hospital data today. Patients up 35 to 6027. Last Tuesday they were up 29 to 6123 - so as you see pretty flat now. North West up today 22 to 818 - last week up just 4.

North East & Yorkshire are the areas where patient numbers are really dropping day to day and week to week and are low in cases and on Zoe too.

London is the area rising the most at present. Indeed both it and South East have been so far ahead of the North West lately they both just overtook North West as the regions with the most cases across the full pandemic which had been North West due to its population density I guess from the start.

Anyone know the Omicron cases in these separate regions as they are behaving very differently at the moment?
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dont hospital numbers go up every Tuesday, and the fall week to week is still just under a hundred. Hospital numbers have been falling the past 2 months contrary to the predictions of the experts. Lets just hope they are wrong aswel with this latest strain.
 
Manc in London said:
I question the view that London has not had the most positives. Testing only started after it had ripped through the capital in March and April 2020. I just cannot see why the NW or any other region would have had more positives. In terms of population density, I would think it is much higher in London.

As for increased hospitalisations in London, I would suggest that is due to the much lower vaccination rates (first, second and boosters) in the capital.
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It is not a view as such - it is the official recorded number of cases. That's what I am referring to. It might be true that cases were missed early days when the pandemicfirst started and testng was sparse. But they were missed everywhere I expect. Might even be true they did more in London when they were rare.

If you lived in the NW during the whole pandemic I do not think it would be hard to see why it had recorded most cases as I think I can confidently say the NW has been in lockdown for longer than London as it was in near total lockdown last Summer and Autumn before the winter wave locked the nation down. It had a wave between July and October that never really got down south. GM and Lancashire particularly were in restrictions for months on end as Merseyside was exempted in the autumn wave for pioneering a testing strategy for the government. Merseyside paid the price in December/January when London did get a wave of the Kemt variant as it was first called as Merseyside then got the cases they missed in the autumn.
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
dont hospital numbers go up every Tuesday, and the fall week to week is still just under a hundred. Hospital numbers have been falling the past 2 months contrary to the predictions of the experts. Lets just hope they are wrong aswel with this latest strain.
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No they used to go up Mondays as admissions from over the weekend are high on Mondays and so they still do but then fall back midweek. But Tuesday was a bit of a transition day and has risen the last two weeks as the drops slowed right down week to week so it had less margin for error.

The full hospital report is on the data thread - but I have started to post the headlines in here given these numbers are so important. Much more so than cases.

But you can read all the numbers across the past week or two in there and see how they have tracked since the other thread was created.

Numbers are still down today week to week but that fall has been slowing for several weeks and is just 6123 to 6027 today. Just 96. Last week it was 132. Week before 366. Week before 549.

A clear downward track toward a virtual standstill now.

It is very slow though and not escalating yet. But looking close.

Hospital numbers in the UK are down today.By 3. They fell in all nations bar N Ireland.

Most hospital numbers in England are very flat right now.
 
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HERE ARE TODAYS UK HOSPITAL NUMBERS

PATIENTS:-


ENGLAND 6027 , N IRELAND 317 , SCOTLAND 576 , WALES 417 UK TOTAL 7337 (DOWN 3)

Scotland and Wales down - England and N Ireland up



VENTILATORS:-


ENGLAND 779 , N IRELAND 28, SCOTLAND 38 , WALES 37 UK TOTAL 882 (DOWN 25)

All down bar N Ireland which stayed level
 
Healdplace said:
No they used to go up Mondays as admissions from over the weekend are high on Mondays and so they still do but then fall back midweek. But Tuesday was a bit of a transition day and has risen the last two weeks as the drops slowed right down week to week so it had less margin for error.

The full hospital report is on the data thread - but I have started to post the headlines in here given these numbers are so important. Much more so than cases.

But you can read all the numbers across the past week or two in there and see how they have tracked since the other thread was created.

Numbers are still down today week to week but that fall has been slowing for several weeks and is just 6123 to 6027 today. Just 96. Last week it was 132. Week before 366. Week before 549.

A clear downward track toward a virtual standstill now.

It is very slow though and not escalating yet. But looking close.

Hospital numbers in the UK are down today.By 3. They fell in all nations bar N Ireland.

Most hospital numbers in England are very flat right now.
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thanks for the detailed response Healdplace.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Got to say, every single time I think we can see an end in sight, or at least a half acceptable state, it comes back again one way or another.

Right now it's like a bad dream, almost a doppleganger for last year, new variant popping up and cases looking likely to spike up towards Christmas.

At least thanks to vaccines we're way down on deaths. Currently 3x as many cases, about 1/4 of the death toll compared to this time last year.
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The new MSD antivirals to be given to the newly sick from Jan will knock serious infections down by 50%.
Let's hope that:
- They work similarly for Omicron
- Current Omicron severity being reported in SA in sumner applies in the UK in winter.

Then there are other antivirals from Pfizer and AZ that are supposed to be more effective.
It's not all bad news.
 
Healdplace said:
It is not a view as such - it is the official recorded number of cases. That's what I am referring to. It might be true that cases were missed early days when the pandemicfirst started and testng was sparse. But they were missed everywhere I expect. Might even be true they did more in London when they were rare.

If you lived in the NW during the whole pandemic I do not think it would be hard to see why it had recorded most cases as I think I can confidently say the NW has been in lockdown for longer than London as it was in near total lockdown last Summer and Autumn before the winter wave locked the nation down. It had a wave between July and October that never really got down south. GM and Lancashire particularly were in restrictions for months on end as Merseyside was exempted in the autumn wave for pioneering a testing strategy for the government. Merseyside paid the price in December/January when London did get a wave of the Kemt variant as it was first called as Merseyside then got the cases they missed in the autumn.
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Making one assumption on incomplete data is no better than making another assumption. I was making the point that there is no logical basis why the NW would have more cases than London. Happy to hear opposing viewpoints that open my eyes but I doubt what you claim explains it.

As for early on in the pandemic, there boroughs with triple digit deaths before there were even a handful of deaths in boroughs in GM. That would clearly indicate several thousand more cases in London. Unless you think the fatality rate is much higher with Londoners.

To be honest, I doubt the validity of the positive test data as it stands. It does not explain things like why Barnet has consistently had more cases (per 100k) than the borough next door.
 
worsleyweb said:
plenty more to come! Wait until you see Manchester’s skyline in 3 years.
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Manchester looks magnificent now, will only get better with the completion of the town hall and new skyline, and it;s been a joy to see it so busy in the evenings (not just match day either). My lad moved to Piccadilly this year, works near Albert Square, and loves it. Best city in the world.
 
Manc in London said:
Making one assumption on incomplete data is no better than making another assumption. I was making the point that there is no logical basis why the NW would have more cases than London. Happy to hear opposing viewpoints that open my eyes but I doubt what you claim explains it.
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To be honest, I doubt the validity of the positive test data as it stands. It does not explain things like why Barnet has consistently had more cases (per 100k) than the borough next door.
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I am no fan of much of the way data is collected and reported and it has changed and improved acrss the 21 months and so not easy to directly compare then with now. But I can only report what the data reports. am not a scientist or statistician so have no expertise in judging the numbers other than closely having followed them since March 2020 and kept lots of data records.

The numbers say what they say but I do not know the hows and whys. I simply noted what is a fact that the high cases for a week or two in London and relatvely low numbers in the NW had seen South East and London overtake the North West in the overall totals on the same day this week.

It is more than possible NW will escalate and regain the lead on this measure. But that is all it is the official government numbers. I think we would agree that many many cases were and still are never recorded in those numbers for all sorts of reasons and that tday there likely were nothing like the 45,691 cases tallied and might be closer to the Zoe estimate for the true number today which was 82,524.
 
blueinsa said:
Fair comment but masks in a shop but not getting pissed in a pub?

Im afraid nothing is making much sense anymore. As for day 2/8 tests etc and quarantine hotels then price is very much in focus and rightly so because we are being fleeced. You want people on board so you fleece them? Not the way to go imo.

Isolate while you await your result? No problem, pay me for the time off I’m being asked to take because right now, millions are probably ignoring that request because they simply can’t afford to take time off.
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We are indeed being fleeced - for example why are PCR test so much more expensive in the UK than in other countries across Europe? There should be regulation.
 
Marvin said:
First lab results for omicron...

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Not good at all.
That said the reported severity of illness is starting to look amazingly small with virtually no lower respitory infection resulting in oxygen depletion.
Putin may be right - it could be a virus vaccine!
 
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splinter said:
Just managed to bring my booster forward from the 29th to the 19th at the etihad..looks like the ramp up as started..
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Had mine last Thursday,had 2 texts since from the NHS telling me that their records show I have not yet had it and can go and get one.
Wonder what the outcome would be if you were a bit docile and went for another booster a week later?
 
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