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blueparrot said:
No ,it won’t. In fact it will make them harder to shake off as the hypocrisy calls will increase. Especially from those in his party that are against restrictions.
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wishful thinking. The one thing the Tory’s have proven over and over again is that they are very good at changing the story. The papers headline’s tomorrow won’t be the party. They will be plan B. In a weeks time the party story will be long dead.
 
grunge said:
wishful thinking. The one thing the Tory’s have proven over and over again is that they are very good at changing the story. The papers headline’s tomorrow won’t be the party. They will be plan B. In a weeks time the party story will be long dead.
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The party might get over it Johnson won’t .
 
True_Blue69 said:
What % has the virus gone up by over there a day?
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Someone posted these SA numbers on Twitter this evening from there.

Looks like a rapid early spread and then a flattening off. Though on a graph it seems near vertical.

It is much more dramatic than past variants

DATE / CASE NUMBERS / POSITIVITY RATE

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Summerbuzz said:
I'm much more hopeful now than I was in October, but...

The early signs were that Omicron has at least some ability to circumvent immunity gained through previous infection. Thus we might have wasted our time. If we're ok in February, amidst or after a full on Omicron wave, then I would have a hard time disregarding the thought that in the end, we got lucky with this new variant leading to less hospitalisations. Obviously, all that depends on what we learn about Omicron in the coming months.

That also says nothing about the effect of our 'community' approach on the health of the community going forward. But for that, we likely have to wait for doctors to report on the lungs (and hearts) of the nation 5 years hence.

A propos of nothing, just wondering lazily, how relevant of SA's figures might or might not be, due to the rather different weather they are experiencing. Damn, I know I would feel better if it was 21 and sunny.

Anyway that's me self-banning from this topic for a few days.
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It will circumvent immunity to a high degree. It will also be a lot less severe if the hospital and death numbers in SA apply in the UK. There seems to be no winter affect in UK cases as well judging by current case numbers.
 
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Chatting to a neighbour today, said I'd got my booster booked..he told me he's not going to bother , he's late 50s..Will we see a lower take up of the booster ?
 
Bluewonder said:
We didn't have vaccines for Spanish Flu and the reality is that there is 20% fewer people in hospital than there was 6 weeks ago. As I said earlier, this is political and nothing else.
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We didn't have hospital oxygen on tap during Spanish Flu to anything like the current level. Without hospital oxygen, the death ratio from Covid would have been much, much higher
 
BlueAnorak said:
That's the positive percentage in tests. I would suspect the actual rise in infections is much, much higher
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Yes, we have a much better system here and even here we have under 1000 Omicron tracked but it was said tonight there are going to bemany times that number here already. Especially if it IS milder it might not lead to tests as easily as other variants in younger people especially.

It is obviously seen as impossible to stop dominating with a doubling every 2 or 3 days over the next few weeks.

So it is all about slowing down so we do not see 10,000 cases become 100,000 inside a couple of weeks as that could rapidly stretch the NHS by sheer numbers unlike other waves which did not have such steep rises and played out over a slower growth pattern not requiring thousands going in all at once.

Though it seems rather optimistic we can actually stem this much and we are hoping the vaccine rate here will be the saviour as it is much more prevalent than in South Africa and might slow growth somewhat.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
We didn't have hospital oxygen on tap during Spanish Flu to anything like the current level. Without hospital oxygen, the death ratio from Covid would have been much, much higher
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this would have been a huge hit. If I recall at the start the hospitalisation rate was something like 15% of cases. A lot of them would have died without oxygen.
 
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