F1 Season 2021

meltonblue said:
The thing that’s irritating me is seeing all the commentators referring to Verstappen as a “deserved champion”.

Him having a great season doesn’t justify the farce of the ending yesterday, rules can’t just be amended on the fly and the consequences fobbed off because it’s perceived as “deserved”.
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That's nothing to do with Max though. He is a deserving champion. He won the race. You can't argue with that. The race shouldn't have been fiddled the way it was but that's not on Max.

What irritated me was the lack of balls from any of the F1 pundits. They just sucked it up like it was an amazing finish and heaped praise on Max and Red Bull. They should have been fuming at the farce they'd just seen in the sport they love. They kept regurgitating Horner's line about a miracle and "never give up" and "fight 'til the end". That's bollocks. There is no lesson anyone can take from that. Max didn't have to do anything but pit for new tyres in that race under sterilised conditions. His move to pass Lewis was great, but I don't think Lewis thought he would pass there because it gave him an opportunity to get back at him. Max did well to prevent that by holding the inside line, but Lewis would have lost the place on that straight had he not been passed before because he'd have had less grip coming out of the corner and Max could have gone the long way round him.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Am I the person who supports Masi. The team's all agreed they wanted races finished under racing conditions and not safety cars. The track was safe for them to finish the race so they went racing even if it's for one lap. The Racing director has the say when the safety car goes out and comes in its all in the rules.
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Even Masi doesn't support Masi.

"Masi after the 2020 Eifel GP regarding the protracted safety car on the track: "There is a requirement in the sporting regulations to pass ALL duplicate cars." This is in complete contradiction to yesterday's interpretation. "

 
mat said:
I see Verstappen's win has brought out the racists in celebration all over social media. So really horrific memes going round.


One simple fix to prevent this bullshit in future maybe the FIA ruling team bosses cannot lobby Masi during a race.
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100%, mate. I find myself wondering when this line of communication started? Just can't imagine when I began watching F1 in the days of Watson, Hunt, Lauda, Peterson etc. I've no time for Lewis but something definitely stinks about the outcome of yesterday's race.
 
supercity88 said:
That's nothing to do with Max though. He is a deserving champion. He won the race. You can't argue with that. The race shouldn't have been fiddled the way it was but that's not on Max.
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I'm certain that the way the race ended was due to pressure from Red Bull, and last time I checked Max was a member of the Red Bull team. You can bet your life he was moaning like f*ck on the radio.

There is no doubt in my mind Red Bull influenced that result with their off the track shenanigans and not on the track, which is where races should be won and lost.
 
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Bazzmand Show said:
Am I the person who supports Masi. The team's all agreed they wanted races finished under racing conditions and not safety cars. The track was safe for them to finish the race so they went racing even if it's for one lap. The Racing director has the say when the safety car goes out and comes in its all in the rules.
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Who decided that it would be just them 2 that get to race though.

Why wasn't Sainz in 3rd given the opportunity to race, instead they left 2 lapped drivers between him and Verstappen.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I'm certain that the way the race ended was due to pressure from Red Bull, and last time I checked May was a member of the Red Bull team. You can bet your life he was moaning like f*ck on the radio.

There is no doubt in my mind Red Bull influenced that result with their off the track shenanigans and not on the track, which is where races should be won and lost.
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100%. Horner was all over the Race Director trying to get a lap of racing. They should have red flagged it and put them all on fresh tyres for a few lap sprint race. But they missed the boat and it was finishing under a safety car. The pressure told and they rushed a decision to get one lap in, making the rules up to enable it. That was Red Bull pressure but any team would do it in the circumstances. There was an opportunity and they had to push for it. Max might be on the team, but all he did was drive to the victory. He didn't make the decision to have a one lap sprint. Nothing about what happened is on him. It's not even on Red Bull for me. They asked and pressured but the Race Director should have ignored the clear bias. In any other race that finishes under the safety car. And in any other race the likes of Sainz and Ferrari would have lodged a complaint too because they were denied the chance to have a go for an overtake on Verstappen/Lewis.

For me, what really doesn't make sense is that Max and Red Bull knew they'd lost it up until the safety car. They were resigned to it. A bit of controversy with Lewis not giving the place back, but his pace meant it was clear he would have gone off into the distance anyway. They could have finished the race under safety car and no one would have been bothered by the result. Not an ideal finish but the right one. Instead they did what they did and caused havoc. There was no need for it.
 
What a absolute farce makes var look good
A Simple way to rectify positions after a safety car is,as soon as safety car deployed all cars positions and time behind leader noted,all cars have very accurate telemetry so it would not be difficult to get a accurate reading of seconds behind race leader.(same as time penaltys in place already )
at start of racing again these can simply be added to the finishing time with no need to have cars unlapping themselves
 
Are Mercedes looking favourites to have the fastest car again next season? When I popped in this thread a few months ago, people were talking about some changes being made which might mix things up a bit. I might start watching again if so.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Am I the person who supports Masi. The team's all agreed they wanted races finished under racing conditions and not safety cars. The track was safe for them to finish the race so they went racing even if it's for one lap. The Racing director has the say when the safety car goes out and comes in its all in the rules.
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I think its great we saw such a dramatic end to the season. For me they both deserved the championship so it didn't bother me that much when they swapped positions.

I do think they could think about employing the green-white-chequered system they use in NASCAR where they won't finish a race under caution (aka safety car) and then have a two lap shootout to the finish. Just reduce that to one lap and we'd be good. Then the teams would know what was coming.

The only issue would be fuel as F1 doesn't have in race refuelling. But I guess they could introduce slightly larger fuel tanks to accommodate this and the teams would only be able to use that fuel during those situations.
 
Well Wisher said:
Are Mercedes looking favourites to have the fastest car again next season? When I popped in this thread a few months ago, people were talking about some changes being made which might mix things up a bit. I might start watching again if so.
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No one knows. F1 is going into a new generation with lower budget caps and the cars have been changed so much everyone is starting from scratch.

Mercedes are a very good team with incredible resources soo should always have a great car, but Ferrari, Alpine (Renault) and McLaren have all been building towards this rule change for a few years while Merc and RB had to balance competing this season as well.

Everyone is hoping that there's 3 or 4 evenly matched sides next season, we won't really know until February when testing begins.
 
svennis pennis said:
It was a gamble, there is a radio message from Lewis saying exactly that under the virtual safety car. That was the point to switch tyres if they were ever going to do so. Toto is on the radio to Masi telling him not to make it a full safety car, they knew it was a risk. If they had switched they would then have been in control of tyre strategy, Red Bull would have kept Max out in a slower car with knackered tyres. The sport can come down to those fine margins. We've seen Lewis brilliantly switch tyres and race back through the field to win races before.

What we saw at the end of the race was unprecedented, im not denying that, but there was a point in the race where Mercedes took a calculated risk not to switch tyres in order to maintain track position.
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hamilton would of won if 1 of the 2 options the race director could take had been taken, instead he chose a third option that wasn't covered by any rule, you going on about tyres isn't even in the equation ,or shouldn't have been , the gamble had paid off not swapping tyres until the director decided to make new rules up, why would hamiltons team give up track position to verstappen to change tyres when they had worked out they didn't need to, they had it sewn up until masi decided to make it a one sided shoot out
 
domalino said:
No one knows. F1 is going into a new generation with lower budget caps and the cars have been changed so much everyone is starting from scratch.

Mercedes are a very good team with incredible resources soo should always have a great car, but Ferrari, Alpine (Renault) and McLaren have all been building towards this rule change for a few years while Merc and RB had to balance competing this season as well.

Everyone is hoping that there's 3 or 4 evenly matched sides next season, we won't really know until February when testing begins.
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ithangyaw

Sounds interesting, I'll keep an eye on it.
 
Sir peace frog said:
hamilton would of won if 1 of the 2 options the race director could take had been taken, instead he chose a third option that wasn't covered by any rule, you going on about tyres isn't even in the equation ,or shouldn't have been , the gamble had paid off not swapping tyres until the director decided to make new rules up, why would hamiltons team give up track position to verstappen to change tyres when they had worked out they didn't need to, they had it sewn up until masi decided to make it a one sided shoot out
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My original point was and still is: Do people think Masi would have made the same call if Hamilton was behind or do you / others think it’s some massive conspiracy to hand the title to Max?

In my opinion he would have taken the exact same course of action. For right or wrong (mainly wrong) he has made the call to let them race rather than ending a season behind the safety car.
 
svennis pennis said:
My original point was and still is: Do people think Masi would have made the same call if Hamilton was behind or do you / others think it’s some massive conspiracy to hand the title to Max?

In my opinion he would have taken the exact same course of action. For right or wrong (mainly wrong) he has made the call to let them race rather than ending a season behind the safety car.
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That’s all it is though, an opinion.

If he had done it with the roles reversed, he’d still be wrong in doing it.
 
svennis pennis said:
My original point was and still is: Do people think Masi would have made the same call if Hamilton was behind or do you / others think it’s some massive conspiracy to hand the title to Max?

In my opinion he would have taken the exact same course of action. For right or wrong (mainly wrong) he has made the call to let them race rather than ending a season behind the safety car.
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I think he shat his pants and didn't think straight. Too many voices in his head. A bit worrying in the position he is in, he'll lose the trust of the drivers and quite a few have questioned it already.
 
svennis pennis said:
My original point was and still is: Do people think Masi would have made the same call if Hamilton was behind or do you / others think it’s some massive conspiracy to hand the title to Max?

In my opinion he would have taken the exact same course of action. For right or wrong (mainly wrong) he has made the call to let them race rather than ending a season behind the safety car.
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He would have probably made the same call and been equally wrong and we'd all be kicking off that Red Bull have been robbed and that they should be given the win.

He can't make up a new rule to avoid them finishing behind the safety car. Finishing behind the safety car is normal, it's happened before and it's happened recently. That's why Mercedes adopted that race strategy.

Whats never been done is the race director making up a new rule to let them 'race'. Race being a Lion running after a Sheep.

There were 3 options present. The 2 by law pretty much guaranteed a Mercedes win (based on their strategy and Hamilton being superior on the day). The 1 they made up guaranteed Red Bull the win.
 
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svennis pennis said:
My original point was and still is: Do people think Masi would have made the same call if Hamilton was behind or do you / others think it’s some massive conspiracy to hand the title to Max?

In my opinion he would have taken the exact same course of action. For right or wrong (mainly wrong) he has made the call to let them race rather than ending a season behind the safety car.
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I don't think it's a conspiracy, just a very unfair way to finish a race,I actually think Hamilton will come out of this better than if he won it bizarrely enough
 
domalino said:
No one knows. F1 is going into a new generation with lower budget caps and the cars have been changed so much everyone is starting from scratch.

Mercedes are a very good team with incredible resources soo should always have a great car, but Ferrari, Alpine (Renault) and McLaren have all been building towards this rule change for a few years while Merc and RB had to balance competing this season as well.

Everyone is hoping that there's 3 or 4 evenly matched sides next season, we won't really know until February when testing begins.
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You can throw Haas into the mix too. They pretty much threw this season away to be best placed for next year.
 
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