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As per my question above about Sweden, I find it ”interesting” that there seems to be very little news about omicron in Europe, was only a couple of weeks ago we were hearing lots about spikes of covid in most European countries now nothing other than references to SA.

Denmark and the UK sequence more than anyone else, so you get our figures first. I don't think anyone expects the rest of Europe to be far behind. Or even ahead.

A lot of Europe is in a delta spike too, so harder to see the emergence of omicron in the general data.
 
As per my question above about Sweden, I find it ”interesting” that there seems to be very little news about omicron in Europe, was only a couple of weeks ago we were hearing lots about spikes of covid in most European countries now nothing other than references to SA.

My work mate got back from Sweden the other day, said he didn't see one person wearing a mask and it's like nothing is going on out there
 
As per my question above about Sweden, I find it ”interesting” that there seems to be very little news about omicron in Europe, was only a couple of weeks ago we were hearing lots about spikes of covid in most European countries now nothing other than references to SA.
I believe Sweden only sequences tests from people who have been abroad and about ten percent of the rest. If you find out you are positive you have no clue what variant you have as they don’t tell you.
 
I had a semi sleepless night last night and BBC news is broadcast from Singapore overnight, around 3am they were talking to a male & female in the medical sphere over there who were almost doing handstands about how less dangerous it was (2 out of 3 admissions to hospital were 'serious' but only 1 out of 4 with Omi, they added that the rise of infections was virtually over.

Didn't catch any names and seen nothing on the BBC this morning.

As others have said SA isn't GB or Europe but they were really upbeat, suppose we'll find out in a few days....all this talk of a week or so and we'll know more started in late November well, it's 2 weeks since then and it's still the line being peddled.

We have a Govt. who are popping up in the media and have no idea of figures day after day, Raab today with his hospital totals, yesterday Javid was all over the place with figures. Whatever happens it's been a shitshow.
When we‘re so determined to see differences between societies we fail to see that there are far, far more similarities. Had a similar situation in the Netherlands recently, where complaints have been raised about how slow the booster roll out has been initiated. The authorities had a report from Israel in September that warned about waning immunity and the need to roll out boosters, but the scientists here insisted that the Israel situation was just too different and that they would need to conduct their own study. So, we wait for three months and lo and behold! Keeps them all in a job, I suppose.
 
I had a semi sleepless night last night and BBC news is broadcast from Singapore overnight, around 3am they were talking to a male & female in the medical sphere over there who were almost doing handstands about how less dangerous it was (2 out of 3 admissions to hospital were 'serious' but only 1 out of 4 with Omi, they added that the rise of infections was virtually over.

Didn't catch any names and seen nothing on the BBC this morning.

As others have said SA isn't GB or Europe but they were really upbeat, suppose we'll find out in a few days....all this talk of a week or so and we'll know more started in late November well, it's 2 weeks since then and it's still the line being peddled.

We have a Govt. who are popping up in the media and have no idea of figures day after day, Raab today with his hospital totals, yesterday Javid was all over the place with figures. Whatever happens it's been a shitshow.
The indications do seem to suggest that Omicron is less severe, which sounds promising.

The news is now chock-full of stories about how many people are queuing up to get the booster, how many people can or can't book the booster, what the likely time frame is for getting the booster, how the NHS won't be able to do the required number of jabs in time.

It's almost as if Boris' speech on Sunday night was pointless - people will get the booster as and when they are able to according to supply - nothing about his speech has changed that.

It's almost as if there was another reason for the speech. It seems the government may have found a way to stop people asking questions about Christmas parties last year.
 
You've asserted that twice this morning.

It's incorrect. So far the doubling time has been two days or less. I have you two reputable sources upthread.

It would be helpful when quoting numbers you give a source. Otherwise, it appears you're just making them up.

Think it’s from Dominic Rabb
 
This is positive..but we cannot compare SA with UK..not yet imo ?

Data out of SA is confusing to say the least.

they say its mild and the number of hospitalistions does back that up to an extent. Yet Excess deaths doubled in the last 2 weeks of Nov from 1k to 2k which dont show up at all in there hospitalisation / testing figures. And strangly those excess deaths are not from Gauteng the area that had Omicron the most, but is also the area that has the highest vaccine rates and been hit hard with Delta so high immunity, which could bode well for the UK.

Over the Pandemic they have listed 90k deaths, Excess deaths are over 275k tho.
 
Source?

Here a tutorial showing figures, how to calculate them and current doubling time <2 days.



This isn't controversial - here the official UKHSA assessment.


Uk reported Omicron cases over the last 2 weeks.
The figures for calculated infections are good but if an infection doesn't produce a real case in the magnitude currently being shown then Omicron really is mild.
 
Data out of SA is confusing to say the least.

they say its mild and the number of hospitalistions does back that up to an extent. Yet Excess deaths doubled in the last 2 weeks of Nov from 1k to 2k which dont show up at all in there hospitalisation / testing figures. And strangly those excess deaths are not from Gauteng the area that had Omicron the most, but is also the area that has the highest vaccine rates and been hit hard with Delta so high immunity, which could bode well for the UK.

Over the Pandemic they have listed 90k deaths, Excess deaths are over 275k tho.
The regionality of this virus is really difficult to understand. We can see that most of London and the South East for example is bearing the brunt of Omicron yet the rest of the country is probably still wholly tackling Delta.

I'd imagine the same thing is happening in SA but weren't they struggling with Beta and not Delta? It's really complicated and I can only see that they're similarly probably fighting different variants in different areas. Coupled with low vaccination rates it's pretty obvious that deaths are inevitable with either variant.

A more interesting thing is that SA has continually remained on the UK Red List in the past not because of variants but because of low vaccination rates, poor reporting and probable poor sequencing which doesn't bode too well really.
 
So, if I understand correctly, even with waning immunity, two doses would still appear to offer more protection than the average flu vaccine. Great news.

Yes, a whole 20% above the world health organisations figure of 50% which they deem as an effective vaccine.

Also reading that the Omicron variant is suggested to be 29% milder than the original Wuhan strain. So think, if Delta is/was more severe than Wuhan then the reduction in severity will be even more notable.

All in all, it's excellent news. The caveat would still be the difference in immunity levels in SA through prior infection in comparison to the UK and age profiles, so there are variables, but then I've no idea how big an impact these would make. It's still positive bottom line.
 
You just made it up. You're wrong.

Use a reputable source.
Depends on where you start from. Won't know for sure till we have 4 or 5 weeks of data due to specimen dates, superspread events and the relatively low numbers. So at the moment it's anywhere between 2.2 and 3.6 as we stand.
 
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