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Manchester33 said:
You'll have good immunity anyway because of your first two doses. You're not in an age range at risk of being hospitalised with COVID so the 'protect the NHS' element doesn't really come into it (unless you're a fat so and so - in which case, losing a bit of weight will do more good than any vaccine would).

If you're planning to go abroad the 3rd jab might a necessity for some countries, but in the UK you'll be able to use LFTs to go anywhere (which everyone should just do anyway). You can also wear masks to do your bit.

Based on all that, if I were you I wouldn't do anything for now (unless you're planning on going abroad soon). See how the next few months pan out. There are people who'll be desperate to be jabbed so let them go ahead of you in the queue.

I know you're saying it's not anxiety, but don't be complacent - men's mental health should be talked about far more openly (I get the impression that this definitely doesn't apply to you - but more generally, people might brush off anxiety and say they're fine to appear more macho).
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Appreciate the concern mate. I'm an exceptionally open person and I feel fully in tune with my anxieties etc. I talk then out, and honestly right now life feels good, hence why I'm not sure it is anxiety. I'm dead similar to my mum that way. We just talk our problems out until they feel in control! Big advocate of openly talking about things, hence my post :)

And yeah, I'll LFT it I think. Wanted to go away somewhere in the new year, but ill probs just go to Scotland or sumat.
 
twosips said:
Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then, like it did a couple of weeks ago. It concerns me, naturally. I'm recently married, bought a house and want to start a family with my wife. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a mild case of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s, which is a higher risk demographic for that side effect. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. It's worse when I lie down for example. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait some time for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.
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I'm with you on that mate.

I too have had two jabs I won't be getting a third one as well will it stop? The fourth or fifth one?

I'm 32 and go to the gym nearly 5 times a week and live a relatively healthy lifestyle.

I believe I will have immunity from the jabs still and this new variant is meant to be weaker.

I won't be risking my health for a jab I feel I don't need yet.
 
twosips said:
Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then, like it did a couple of weeks ago. It concerns me, naturally. I'm recently married, bought a house and want to start a family with my wife. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a mild case of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s, which is a higher risk demographic for that side effect. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. It's worse when I lie down for example. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait some time for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.
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Not to detract anything but I wouldn't ever rule anxiety out mate. I had an episode in the past where I thought I was having a heart attack, ended up in A&E and there was nothing wrong with me, it was a panic attack. It exhausted me and for a few days afterwards I had chest pain, leg pain (I couldn't move my legs at one point) and my stomach went dodgy for a long time. It's all caused by chemicals flowing through you responding to stress and the muscles are constantly tensioned which basically knackers you out.

I'm never really stressed or anything like that but constant worry can cause these problems. I've booked my booster for Sunday and just thinking of having it and the potential side effects etc starts to create the same feelings even though there's actually no real reason for it. I bet nobody on here knew what myocarditis was until they read the rubbish about it related to the vaccines but just knowing about it creates worry and anxiety.

Serious side effects from the vaccines are exceptionally rare and just think if you were at a city game only 1 person or less in the ground will get a severe problem such as myocarditis. Of course get checked but with COVID bombarding us daily, I wouldn't rule out anxiety.

Just as an example of anxiety today, I went to the dentist a few weeks back and I asked how things have been since COVID. He told me all he seems to be treating at the moment is cracked teeth because people are clearly so anxious that they're clenching and breaking their teeth.
 
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I'm 34 and got my booster tomorrow.

Feeling nervous now about having it done ffs. Especially as I already have a phobia of needles and massive anxiety around anything medical.

I had a panic attack in the waiting room when I had my first jab.
 
inbetween said:
Not to detract anything but I wouldn't ever rule anxiety out mate. I had an episode in the past where I thought I was having a heart attack, ended up in A&E and there was nothing wrong with me, it was a panic attack. It exhausted me and for a few days afterwards I had chest pain, leg pain (I couldn't move my legs at one point) and my stomach went dodgy for a long time. It's all caused by chemicals flowing through you responding to stress and the muscles are constantly tensioned which basically knackers you out.

I'm never really stressed or anything like that but constant worry can cause these problems. I've booked my booster for Sunday and just thinking of having it and the potential side effects etc starts to create the same feelings even though there's actually no real reason for it. I bet nobody on here knew what myocarditis was until they read the rubbish about it related to the vaccines but just knowing about it creates worry and anxiety.

Serious side effects from the vaccines are exceptionally rare and just think if you were at a city game only 1 person or less in the ground will get a severe problem such as myocarditis. Of course get checked but with COVID bombarding us daily, I wouldn't rule out anxiety.

Just as an example of anxiety today, I went to the dentist a few weeks back and I asked how things have been since COVID. He told me all he seems to be treating at the moment is cracked teeth because people are clearly so anxious that they're clenching and breaking their teeth.
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You're spot on. It could be that mate. It also couldn't be, which is my concern. I just don't know really and it feels a little like an unnecessary risk.
 
Apropos of nothing; when we talk hospital admissions, and not wishing to play anything down, but I wonder the amount of those which are Covid positive but admitted for anxiety reasons more than the virus itself?

And I get that the virus would still be *the* major contributing factor to said anxiety, but I feel a concerted effort on reassurance and anxiety coping techniques might go a long way to reducing those hospital admission figures, thus partially alleviating the burden and in turn the figures we see put out from the usual outlets every day, leading full circle to actually reducing anxiety levels because less people wouldn't already be on tenterhooks.

Does any of that make sense? Or am I likely talking really small numbers to make any discernible difference?

I'm talking people testing positive, and having mild symptoms which are made moderate somewhat artificially by means of escalating anxiety levels. A bad cough, leading to a panic attack, leading to feelings of breathlessness and using 999 and ending up in hospital. If that anxiety could be treated at source, somehow, there might be benefits for everyone.
 
inbetween said:
Not to detract anything but I wouldn't ever rule anxiety out mate. I had an episode in the past where I thought I was having a heart attack, ended up in A&E and there was nothing wrong with me, it was a panic attack. It exhausted me and for a few days afterwards I had chest pain, leg pain (I couldn't move my legs at one point) and my stomach went dodgy for a long time. It's all caused by chemicals flowing through you responding to stress and the muscles are constantly tensioned which basically knackers you out.

I'm never really stressed or anything like that but constant worry can cause these problems. I've booked my booster for Sunday and just thinking of having it and the potential side effects etc starts to create the same feelings even though there's actually no real reason for it. I bet nobody on here knew what myocarditis was until they read the rubbish about it related to the vaccines but just knowing about it creates worry and anxiety.

Serious side effects from the vaccines are exceptionally rare and just think if you were at a city game only 1 person or less in the ground will get a severe problem such as myocarditis. Of course get checked but with COVID bombarding us daily, I wouldn't rule out anxiety.

Just as an example of anxiety today, I went to the dentist a few weeks back and I asked how things have been since COVID. He told me all he seems to be treating at the moment is cracked teeth because people are clearly so anxious that they're clenching and breaking their teeth.
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Lots of truth to this.

I posted above but it's probs lost in the thread -

I've got a massive phobia of needles/anything medical and when I had my first jab I was convinced I was having some kind of bad reaction in the 10 min waiting room/observation bit.

Turns out it was "only" a panic attack. Was fine once I calmed down.
 
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