Coronavirus (2021) thread

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twosips said:
Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then, like it did a couple of weeks ago. It concerns me, naturally. I'm recently married, bought a house and want to start a family with my wife. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a mild case of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s, which is a higher risk demographic for that side effect. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. It's worse when I lie down for example. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait some time for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.
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You can still be happy and be impacted by anxiety, stress and tension. At the time of my daughters birth I was happier than I had ever been. However, I am remember having a couple of aches and pains in areas of my body that made me feel that something was seriously wrong with me. I even went to A&E at one point. They could not diagnose anything. Surprisingly, the doctor suggested it could be stress, tension or anxiety and that I should do some breathing exercises. I went ahead and did the breathing exercises for 30 mins each day. When I started to do them, it was only then that I could feel how tense I was in my chest and stomach. Something you may want to consider.

You could have tweaked some muscles. It's easy to do. Maybe go for a massage. A shame you have moved house as you could have popped out for a massage ;) Consider having a massage though. Doesn't cost much (only about £50 down here so would think it would be a bit less up north) and it is a pleasant experience too (legit, of course).
 
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ted the grass said:
Had 2 AZ shots and a Pf chaser to boost....along with a flu shot....never had so much as a sniffle off any of them...maybe im part of the placebo group!
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2 az mod chaser..nothing, I'd like to know does that mean I've got a great immune system or a crap one..I'd like to think the first, can't remember the last time I had a cold or flu..
 
roubaixtuesday said:
On the severity of omicron thing, an attempt to explain why it will probably seem less severe without actually being less severe. Model figures, not real ones.

Currently, if there are 100 hospitalizations, that comes from 10,000 reported infections (1% hit rate for severe disease). Assume 50:50 vaxxed: unvaxxed.

90% of people are vaxxed, so those 50 vaxxed hospitalizations are from 9,000 reported cases (0.5% hit rate), whereas the 50 unvaxxed comes from just 1,000 (5% hit rate).

Now, omicron comes along. It transmits much faster, but the reason for that is that it infects vaxxed people as well as unvaxxed. But assume the protection against hospitalisation from vaccination is the same.

So, let's say we get 40,000 more infections (4x more transmissible), but all of the reason for that increase is that they've been vaxxed and would previously have been completely protected. Those additional 40,000 still have good protection against severe disease (same 0.5% hit rate as before) so we only get a further 200 hospitalizations.

So the total now is 50,000 cases, 300 hospitalizations. 0.6% hit rate.

Voilà. The severity appears reduced from 1% hospitalisation to 0.6%, even though the virus is as severe as ever in any given case.

Because the proportion of vaxxed cases is much higher.

No idea if this makes any sense to anyone else, but it does to me.

And of course, it's not as simple as this as immunity is more complex than just "vaxxed or unvaxxed". But hopefully it explains why some people are saying it's less severe, whilst others saying no evidence for change. Both can be right, depending on exactly what they mean.
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Makes sense, without wanting to make THE comparison I imagine colds & flu would present a lot more serious symptoms if we hadn't had years of our bodies fighting them and creating antobodies etc & flu jabs etc helping.

I guess it's the position we are aiming for, enough antibodies via previous infections/vaccinations to make it something we can live with long term.
 
grunge said:
Omicron will be dominant in London today and country wide in a day or 2 from now. there is no slowing this one down by keeping these countries on a red list.
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i totally get because of its infectiousness it will spread rapidly throughout the nation
my point is if it really was more severe then you would be locking down your borders not opening them up
 
Gave her some stick over the last few days mainly for tone and language used in messaging, but the advice Sturgeon has put out for over Christmas time (Scotland) makes some sense imo.

A guidance to restrict non household contacts in the period before Christmas eve and after boxing day. 3 households maximum if possible. Guidance as opposed to legislation. No restrictions on Christmas period itself, and basic guidance for retail/hospitality regarding crowding, usage of screens/masks and contact tracing. There's nothing there I can't really get on board with.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Gave her some stick over the last few days mainly for tone and language used in messaging, but the advice Sturgeon has put out for over Christmas time (Scotland) makes some sense imo.

A guidance to restrict non household contacts in the period before Christmas eve and after boxing day. 3 households maximum if possible. Guidance as opposed to legislation. No restrictions on Christmas period itself, and basic guidance for retail/hospitality regarding crowding, usage of screens/masks and contact tracing. There's nothing there I can't really get on board with.
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so for xmas and boxing day you can run riot. its bonkers mate
 
tonea2003 said:
i totally get because of its infectiousness it will spread rapidly throughout the nation
my point is if it really was more severe then you would be locking down your borders not opening them up
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why would you want to keep the boarder closed tho when the reason for closing them isn't there anymore?
 
tonea2003 said:
so for xmas and boxing day you can run riot. its bonkers mate
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It's a question of looking like they are doing something, acting like they know what they are doing without actually having a clue.

Whatever keeps people safe is good with me, but this is a tide we are not going to hold back with rules, the Cat is well and truly out of the bag.
 
bluetonium said:
Any idea when the lateral flow tests will be available again? Three of us taking them and have 7 left, the pharmacies around here have none, can't order online and even where I had the vaccine yesterday had none.

At this is rate going to have to test less often if we want any kind of Christmas with family. Frustrating as we've been regularly testing twice a week for months and no supply issues, feels like now everyone who couldn't give a fcuk previously has nabbed them all.

Maybe that is the key, tell everyone that 'face nappies' are short and they'll all suddenly have several.

Although getting them to wear them correctly is another challenge, even my 5 yo loudly asked at the school drop off this morning if 'that man' doesn't know how masks work because his nose is poking out.
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Tell you my personal story, I use them a few times a year. They changed the criteria to collect them in person. Hence I went on to the website and ordered some, absent mindedly opting to get some posted. Then I went back to look at the section that gave you a QR code and got one. Was in the shop later so used it. They now give you two packs for the QR code. Before I'd just get one pack. Or did she ask me how many I wanted? Honestly, can't remember. Anyway, the others arrived now I've got three. If I wasn't mid non-covid virus, I'd offer to send them to you. But I am, and you don't want that sent in the post!

Chaos. Always tinkering with stuff, changing criteria. The NHS and services will get into a scramble, we'll all start panicking and worrying about Christmas. The only winner is Boris, who gets to hog Sunday TV, uses it - and press briefings to start the scramble, thereby ending the period where we talked about Tories yet again not following their own rules.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Gave her some stick over the last few days mainly for tone and language used in messaging, but the advice Sturgeon has put out for over Christmas time (Scotland) makes some sense imo.

A guidance to restrict non household contacts in the period before Christmas eve and after boxing day. 3 households maximum if possible. Guidance as opposed to legislation. No restrictions on Christmas period itself, and basic guidance for retail/hospitality regarding crowding, usage of screens/masks and contact tracing. There's nothing there I can't really get on board with.
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We had a present swapping family gathering on Sunday planned for 4 households so that has put a damper on that. I know its guidance rather than law but I feel it should be followed. I wish to hell we knew if this version is milder.
 
tonea2003 said:
something doesn't stack up here

www.bbc.co.uk

UK removes all 11 countries from red list

The UK has taken all 11 African countries off England's red list, easing travel restrictions.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Yes, closing those routes for nineteen days certainly seemed to do the trick. Wonder if anyone bothers to calculate the negative impact on their economies?...
 
Saddleworth2 said:
We had a present swapping family gathering on Sunday planned for 4 households so that has put a damper on that. I know its guidance rather than law but I feel it should be followed. I wish to hell we knew if this version is milder.
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Medical staff in South Africa seem to agree that it is considerably milder.
 
Gabriel said:
Yes, closing those routes for nineteen days certainly seemed to do the trick. Wonder if anyone bothers to calculate the negative impact on their economies?...
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When you’re told there’s a super spreader coming out of a country who’s severity is unknown, what else can a government do?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
We had a present swapping family gathering on Sunday planned for 4 households so that has put a damper on that. I know its guidance rather than law but I feel it should be followed. I wish to hell we knew if this version is milder.
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Honestly if you're all jabbed etc then I wouldn't be changing anything but of course you do whatever you thinks best.
 
My nanna who is 92 and in a home has just received the news that therell be no visitors and no days out to visit family til after xmas at least

Thats approx 14 months out the last 19 shes been a prisoner

fuckin barbaric

if you agree with that tten youre a weirdo
 
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KnaresboroughBlue said:
Medical staff in South Africa seem to agree that it is considerably milder.
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Depends who you listen to. The illness people are experiencing is less severe than hitherto because people in general have more resistance but I suspect that this virus is just as virulent as before which means that when it works its way up to the older age groups we are going to have a lot of problems.

It's good that the majority of people will experience a milder illness than before but its still going to cause a lot of problems in a very short period of time. There's going to be an absolute avalanche of mild illness and in amongst it some people are going to get seriously ill.
 
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