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Gaylord du Bois said:
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My Twitter conversation with the chairman of the Sage Covid modelling committee | The Spectator

The latest Sage papers have been published, envisaging anything from 200 to 6,000 deaths a day from Omicron depending on how many more restrictions we’ll get — up to and very much including another lockdown. Earlier today I had an unexpected chance to ask questions of Graham Medley, the chair of...
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It’s absolutely mind boggling that they aren’t modelling using data from SA.

I’m genuinely getting the feeling that SAGE are just recommending harsh measures all the time because they fucked up so badly on the first wave in advising locking down too late.

I’ve been largely on board with all the measure in England (I think they were too slow to unlock though tbh) and got my vac the moment it was available.

However if they lockdown or circuit breaker now with 90% of over 50’s triple vaccinated by the end of the week I won’t be paying a blind bit of notice.
 
Gabriel said:
I spoke to someone this morning whose aged mother is in the same situation. There just aren’t the staff to get the boosters into care homes, yet young people who are in considerably less danger are queuing for hours because of Government messaging.

Countries ignored Israel’s warning and let their guard down.
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Guess we’ve got Covid fatigue as a country.

Sadly the virus doesn’t get tired.
 
Del_Bosque said:
How’s the symptoms?

I know this sounds grim but at least you found out now and didn’t give it older relatives round the Christmas Dinner table.

I’m really concerned about it tbh.

Time to smash some food deliveries and computer games.
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Everyone could do LFT before coming? We're doing that at ours.
 
mosssideblue said:
One day you will be older/old. You may have developed a more mature outlook then.
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No, I'l have just have different self-interests. At least I'm honest enough to admit that unlike the lockdown folk who won't admit the only reason is out of their own fear and self-interest, not an altruistic, genuine motive because there isn't one objectively speaking.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
www.spectator.co.uk

My Twitter conversation with the chairman of the Sage Covid modelling committee | The Spectator

The latest Sage papers have been published, envisaging anything from 200 to 6,000 deaths a day from Omicron depending on how many more restrictions we’ll get — up to and very much including another lockdown. Earlier today I had an unexpected chance to ask questions of Graham Medley, the chair of...
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That is frankly an unbelievable exchange. I am literally speechless.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
Vaccines are a preventative treatment, paracetamol isn't. Are you not going to take paracetamol when you feel ill after catching Covid despite having your jabs?
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I did catch covid after having my jabs.
Fortunately, I wasn't ill and didn't require paracetamol - maybe because I had the vaccines.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
No, I'l have just have different self-interests. At least I'm honest enough to admit that unlike the lockdown folk who won't admit the only reason is out of their own fear and self-interest, not an altruistic, genuine motive because there isn't one objectively speaking.
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I don’t want another lockdown, but if one is advised and implemented, I’ll have to abide by it if it helps the country.

I’m not scared and not thinking of my own self interest, unlike others.
 
blueinsa said:
They predict a doomsday scenario each and every time and people are now switching off from their message because it’s patently wrong and bares no resemblance to what we see here at home or globally.

The press are also to blame with their doomsday narratives.

You would be forgiven for thinking we had bodies piled high at the sides of the roads the way some report on covid.

So back to the truth re Omicron based on real world data and experiences so far…..it’s much more contagious but is responsible for a much leas severe illness if at all with hospitalisation numbers down as well as deaths. Restrictions because if it? Not now, pointless, it’s here already. Lockdown because of it? Absolutely not!

Protect the NHS? Yes, we need politicians and parties who will spend what’s required because right now, we are facing lockdowns for no other reason than our NHS can’t cope because of our shit politicians and that is not acceptable. It’s their job to protect it, not ours by being locked away when it suits.
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Nail on the head, too much crying wolf has been going on since this started.

I don't mean it's not/hasn't been serious but the bollocks realised by these modellers has reached the stage where like politicians they're not believed and have lost almost all credibility as 'experts'.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Guess we’ve got Covid fatigue as a country.

Sadly the virus doesn’t get tired.
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Even though we’re already in lockdown and apparently at a possible precipice, I’m cautiously optimistic that we’ll actually be in a better position by the middle of January. The governments will attribute that to their booster programmes and vaccinations, which is true to an extent and gives people reassurance, but I just feel that this wave might burn itself out quite quickly.
 
Gabriel said:
Even though we’re already in lockdown and apparently at a possible precipice, I’m cautiously optimistic that we’ll actually be in a better position by the middle of January. The governments will attribute that to their booster programmes and vaccinations, which is true to an extent and gives people reassurance, but I just feel that this wave might burn itself out quite quickly.
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I do too, lockdown or no lockdown.

We’re at the point where some people are more scared of a lockdown than a deadly virus.

We‘re all going to suck it up and face whatever happens between now and the end of January.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Nail on the head, too much crying wolf has been going on since this started.

I don't mean it's not/hasn't been serious but the bollocks realised by these modellers has reached the stage where like politicians they're not believed and have lost almost all credibility as 'experts'.
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So best to ignore them?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I do too, lockdown or no lockdown.

We’re at the point where some people are more scared of a lockdown than a deadly virus.

We‘re all going to suck it up and face whatever happens between now and the end of January.
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Yes, agreed. As several have already said, I think what governments are scared of is a period of 2 or 3 weeks where health systems might fail. It's a pity that some feel the need to rebrand this as "failed promises" and lies that "vaccines will get us out of this".

Vaccines are a major reason we can live pretty much as we want between March and November. But for this year and maybe the next, we need to help out in other ways. Doing your bit does not start and end with taking the vaccine and then saying "I'm alright, Jack."

Chris Whitty always said that it was going to be a tough winter and most people seemed to ignore him.
 
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