Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

That will likely look quite different in a month.

You're suggesting the UK will leap ahead again? It seems highly unlikely. The EU will cease being constrained by vaccine supply in that time.

 

[Marvin]

That will likely look quite different in a month. The 2/3 weeks from the 31st May will be the peak for second doses in the U.K. given that the peak for first doses will be 84/98 days previously. Part of the reason for the slight slowdown is to ensure there are sufficient stocks to give these second doses and a definite increase in ‘vaccine hesitancy’ from the younger groups.

Looking at the small print, the graph doesn't look like it's split between 1st and 2nd doses. I am not sure what point you are making about the connection between vaccination rates and dose regimes. That graph looks like it tracks total doses given. I expect Germany is tracking upwards because their supply is based around Pfizer BionTech and the UK is stalled because our supply has been arrested by AZ and the drop in exports from India

 

[True_Blue69]

You're suggesting the UK will leap ahead again? It seems highly unlikely. The EU will cease being constrained by vaccine supply in that time.

Who cares who’s winning? Clearly there are Brexit undertones here on both sides of the argument. The main thing is people are getting jabbed and not getting ill from it, which of looking good across the board by all accounts.

 

[Marvin]

Can this new strain take on the mutation at 484 that confers some resistance in the South African variant and retain its infectivity? If it can, it will.

 

[SWP's back]

Is that actually confirmed though?

I’ve not been following much recently but never remember seeing that point made, I know it reduced transmission chances but completely?

Yes. By the CDC, yesterday.

 

[SWP's back]

Total COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people

All doses, including boosters, are counted individually.

ourworldindata.org

So the U.K. is well well well ahead of the EU then and the posters above you are wrong.

 

[SWP's back]

Current rates:

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Yeah because most people in the U.K. HAVE ALREADY been vaccinated. The EU has a massive fuck load of catching up to do but the U.K. has already broken covid’s back, especially vis a vis the most vulnerable.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

So the U.K. is well well well ahead of the EU then and the posters above you are wrong.

I suggest you read again what "the posters above you" actually posted. Notably my good self:

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported).

Which is correct.

 

[worsleyweb]

Remember how much better than the EU our vaccine investment, procurement and programme is?

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported). Cases and deaths are both falling across almost all member states, although only Portugal has rates as low as ours. It is not a coincidence that Portugal had a very hard lockdown, as we did.

Still, the narrative is what matters, right?

Industrial Policy Saved Europe’s Vaccine Drive

The EU got its act together not by banning exports but through classic cooperation with industry.

foreignpolicy.com

By now, criticism of EU vaccine procurement has almost stopped. Vaccination rates have accelerated everywhere. Apart from Hungary and Malta, which are ahead, and Croatia, Latvia, and Bulgaria, which lag behind, most participants are moving ahead at the same speed. This common pace was the idea behind common procurement.

Member states obtained 14 million doses in January, 28 million in February, 60 million in March, and 105 million in April. The commission expects 125 million doses in May and 200 million in June, putting the bloc on track to have an annual capacity of 3 billion to 4 billion doses. Even when new vaccines become available, Breton said, Europe doesn’t need them. There are now 53 manufacturing sites in Europe, up from barely a dozen in January. According to Breton, “We should be proud of Europe’s industrial capacity.” His boss, von der Leyen, said Europe has used this crisis to reinvent itself and become stronger, as happened repeatedly in the past. She called Europe, still exporting almost half of its vaccine output, “the pharmacy of the world.”

we have left - get over it - many many positives

 

[shemnel]

Yeah because most people in the U.K. HAVE ALREADY been vaccinated. The EU has a massive fuck load of catching up to do but the U.K. has already broken covid’s back, especially vis a vis the most vulnerable.

i think youre interpreting that completely incorrectly - the UK still has 10s of millions of unvaccinated people, plus 2nd jabs, there is no way that 'person availability' has anything to do with it at all??