Coronavirus (2022) thread

[Healdplace]

Thanks both, I am mainly curious about the catching it to begin with and then passing it on, for jabbed vs unjabbed, not about the reduction in severity of illness etc.

Vaccines have never primarily been about stopping spread. They are there to mitigate symptoms. That is true of most things vaccines are used for. There is some reduction with vaccines. Less so with Omicron as it is just so infectious. But nobody triple jabbed should assume they cannot pass it on. They very well still might. And they may also be less likely to realise if they only have mild cold like symptoms care of the vaccine and the less severe strain Omicron appears to be.

Less severe in most people that is. Not necesarily in the vulnerable people you might meet. We are still not sure on that last point.

Why they are asking everyone to be tested even if what you have may only BE a cold as it might also be a much muted form of Omicron that feels like a cold and yet which those you meet or work or live with might need to know the difference.

 

[meltonblue]

i thought that aswel, but that isnt what has been reported today oddly.

The government website isn’t overly clear as they haven’t updated all of them properly (and they keep on announcing things as if they’re new when they’re not, which doesn’t help either!)

Key page is this though -

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Stay at home: guidance for households with possible or confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) infection

www.gov.uk

And this is the key quote -

“Your isolation period starts immediately from when your symptoms started, or, if you do not have any symptoms, from when your positive LFD or PCR test was taken, whichever test was taken first”

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths over the past 5 days now up in detail on the data thread.

North West had the worst of it as expected. But no dramatic rises. Though we did have the first day at five days with 100 deaths for the first time in a while on 28 December.

These numbers will be impacted by the holidays so we can only say for sure that there is as yet no big rise in deaths in England hospitals after 2 or 3 weeks of Omicron cases.

Numbers have been fairly flat at between 400 and 500 in a week for the past three weeks as Omicron took root.

Early days but still looking positive here.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The government website isn’t overly clear as they haven’t updated all of them properly (and they keep on announcing things as if they’re new when they’re not, which doesn’t help either!)

Key page is this though -

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Stay at home: guidance for households with possible or confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) infection

www.gov.uk

And this is the key quote -

“Your isolation period starts immediately from when your symptoms started, or, if you do not have any symptoms, from when your positive LFD or PCR test was taken, whichever test was taken first”

yes i realise and knew that. But that isnt what the BBC were reporting all this morning. I guess they just got it wrong, which isnt unusual tbh.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I’m afraid I’ve had several family members (all in laws I might add!), who have misused emergency services and A&E. 2 had mental health problems and would either ring an ambulance or show up at Tameside hospital weekly. My mother in law, had been a nurse in the 50s and 60s and was a complete hypochondriac, imagining she had everything under the sun. I would imagine she attended A&E monthly until her death 6 years ago.

So she was right in the end then.

 

[artfuldodger]

So she was right in the end then.

ha ha yes. I’m afraid dementia got her in the end. And no amount of visits to A&E can cure that one.

 

[feelymcfeel]

Me since 1985

About 2003 was the last time I felt sprightly.

 

[inbetween]

According to the government the booster is the key. It raises the dwindling immunity very significantly. Hence the big push on these.

3 jabs v 2 is dramatically different risk v Omicron. Not necessarily stopping you catching it but minimising it to in effect like a mild or at worst a severe cold in most people.

There are people still catching it and some being hospitalised with 3 jabs but the outcome with the booster so far looks to be much better than we had once feared Omicron might produce.

Though Omicron is SO infectious I doubt it makes much difference to the risk of you spreading it. Hence why you still need to isolate even if triple jabbed.

The most important thing is the number on ventilators is stable and the number dying is actually reducing, neither of these would be happening if the vaccines were struggling. A lot has to be said though for the excellent treatment people now get in hospitals which is another major reason why people aren't dying anymore due to COVID.

When this all kicked off in 2020 I knew only a handful people who caught COVID and two ended up in hospital. Nowadays perhaps half the people I know have had COVID recently and none have ended up in hospital.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

According to the government the booster is the key. It raises the dwindling immunity very significantly. Hence the big push on these.

3 jabs v 2 is dramatically different risk v Omicron. Not necessarily stopping you catching it but minimising it to in effect like a mild or at worst a severe cold in most people.

There are people still catching it and some being hospitalised with 3 jabs but the outcome with the booster so far looks to be much better than we had once feared Omicron might produce.

Though Omicron is SO infectious I doubt it makes much difference to the risk of you spreading it. Hence why you still need to isolate even if triple jabbed.

maybe in older populations. The hospitalisation data indicates that in younger populations there's negligible impact.

 

[kaz7]

Had it again about three weeks ago , felt rough but not in danger, had my booster about a week or so before so just sneaked in , went back on inhalers for a week just in case

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

There needs to be a system in place for charging the cunts for false usage.

It’s a fucking joke that useless selfish cunts abuse the tax money the majority of us put in.

I know it's fashionable to slam the American model but there's something to be said for charging people for misusing the NHS.

Also I was surprised that they give you free drugs in A&E. Thankfully touch wood I've not had much experience in A&E, but last year I was in a bike accident - injured my hand and was very dazed/confused, so they gave me a hand x-ray and some sort of brain scan. Thankfully after a couple of hours I was on my way and it was nothing more than a bandage and painkillers job.

But - they give me a bag full of co-codamol to take home. I asked them where I had to go to pay for it and the nurse lad just laughed at me and said it was free. Seemed a bit odd to me, as I know it's only a couple of quid but I'd have happily paid for it, and they must give away millions and millions of pounds worth every year. It all adds up.

Why don't do they do what they do for prescriptions - you pay if you can afford it, and if you can't *then* you get it for free.

 

[kaz7]

I am talking, sore leg, sore elbow etc.

I know it’s difficult but it’s an issue and if a minority of the public want to abuse it, the same minority should be told no more.

I hurt my leg , was bruised but i hobbled around on it for three days , i eventually went for an x ray and i had broken my ankle , got a right telling off for not going sooner , that was not abuse of the system but it was under your rules

There is taking the piss and there is being concerned

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

One for @SWP's back ..

An anti-vaxxer in Birmingham who runs a funeral home (business must be booming!) has had to miss his date with Piers Corbyn due to being hospitalised.

Still, am sure the daft **** will get some sort of family discount on a coffin.

Leading anti-vaxxer misses rally after going to hospital with Covid

John O'Looney, 53, of Milton Keynes, finally conceded that coronavirus was real and serious after he was admitted to a hospital intensive care unit with it last month.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[BlueAnorak]

After a month of our cases dropping significantly, they are on the up again. I guess that will be omicron starting to take over from Delta. Hopefully it will be a quick rise and fall like we saw in SA.

Not sure.
Not letting Delta rip on the continent from July seems to be having a major impact on current hospitalisations and deaths over there now we are in winter. Of course it may be UK boosters and possibly the large number of UK AZ vaccinations (delivering T-Cell immunity) that are also having an impact.

 

[blueinsa]

I’m afraid I’ve had several family members (all in laws I might add!), who have misused emergency services and A&E. 2 had mental health problems and would either ring an ambulance or show up at Tameside hospital weekly. My mother in law, had been a nurse in the 50s and 60s and was a complete hypochondriac, imagining she had everything under the sun. I would imagine she attended A&E monthly until her death 6 years ago.

By far the biggest misuse of our emergency services is the burden placed on them because we no longer have the mental health capacity needed so instead, we expect our police and ambulance services to instead, step in.

 

[Elbow beards]

One for @SWP's back ..

An anti-vaxxer in Birmingham who runs a funeral home (business must be booming!) has had to miss his date with Piers Corbyn due to being hospitalised.

Still, am sure the daft **** will get some sort of family discount on a coffin.

Leading anti-vaxxer misses rally after going to hospital with Covid

John O'Looney, 53, of Milton Keynes, finally conceded that coronavirus was real and serious after he was admitted to a hospital intensive care unit with it last month.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He's got an apt name. :)

 

[Octavian]

He's got an apt name. :)

Cunty Mcfuckface would be more apt.

 

[Octavian]

I know it's fashionable to slam the American model but there's something to be said for charging people for misusing the NHS.

Also I was surprised that they give you free drugs in A&E. Thankfully touch wood I've not had much experience in A&E, but last year I was in a bike accident - injured my hand and was very dazed/confused, so they gave me a hand x-ray and some sort of brain scan. Thankfully after a couple of hours I was on my way and it was nothing more than a bandage and painkillers job.

But - they give me a bag full of co-codamol to take home. I asked them where I had to go to pay for it and the nurse lad just laughed at me and said it was free. Seemed a bit odd to me, as I know it's only a couple of quid but I'd have happily paid for it, and they must give away millions and millions of pounds worth every year. It all adds up.

Why don't do they do what they do for prescriptions - you pay if you can afford it, and if you can't *then* you get it for free.

I get annoyed with all the drug addicts but it’s where you draw the line and people could argue they’ve contributed in previous or current jobs so deserve treatment.

I think you should be charged if you call an ambulance or get to A&E to be seen and it’s obvious you’re just wasting their time.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

He's got an apt name. :)

Hahaha only just spotted that

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I know it's fashionable to slam the American model but there's something to be said for charging people for misusing the NHS.

Also I was surprised that they give you free drugs in A&E. Thankfully touch wood I've not had much experience in A&E, but last year I was in a bike accident - injured my hand and was very dazed/confused, so they gave me a hand x-ray and some sort of brain scan. Thankfully after a couple of hours I was on my way and it was nothing more than a bandage and painkillers job.

But - they give me a bag full of co-codamol to take home. I asked them where I had to go to pay for it and the nurse lad just laughed at me and said it was free. Seemed a bit odd to me, as I know it's only a couple of quid but I'd have happily paid for it, and they must give away millions and millions of pounds worth every year. It all adds up.

Why don't do they do what they do for prescriptions - you pay if you can afford it, and if you can't *then* you get it for free.

The administration costs involved in charging for the prescription would probably add up to more than the income generated.