The Conservative Party

Am I the only one blatantly amazed that the Tories are still in power? This has to be the most corrupt Western European government I can ever remember. Where is people's intelligence? Where are their balls? If this was France they would be losing their shit whilst our population is as docile as it is ignorant.

From punting off the NHS, dodgy contracts, sleaze, mismanagement, consistently lying PM...its never ending. And we allow it to get worse and worse.

Seems the country is full of people who think that if they are doing OK then fuck everyone else. They knowingly turn a blind eye to what they voted in. Fuck the NHS, fuck the police, fuck education, welfare, compassion. As long as London is comfortable, that's what matters.

The sheer level of press control to me feels like we are entering an Orwellian era. Obviously the money from oil, American pharma and arms dealers is making its way nicely into their bank accounts.

With all that going on, I don't see how anyone could vote Tory. They are absolute scum. Surely your conscious kicks in at some point? Is money all that people really give a shit about now? All those WW2 soldiers that returned from hell and built the amazing NHS are having their legacy shat on by disconnected, selfish working class thinking they are big time. Funny how they are the first to complain however.
I read an interesting article a few days ago that in many ways, sums up the tory mentality. The guy was writing about his mother. who had been tory all her life, she wasn't really engaged in politics and didn't take much interest in the shenanigans going on in Westminster, but voted for them because they were the traditional voice of decency, hard work and honesty.

Yes, you could add the other parties hold those traits as well, but it was her belief and that's the way she had voted all her life. It was comfortable for her, and she had no reason to change her mind.

They are admirable qualities in any person, but the author then went on to explain her mother was disgusted by the current governments blatant lies that, even though she didn't take too much interest in politics, she could see how dishonest they are and was aghast at the lack of honesty and integrity, qualities she has lived by all her life and expected from others. Her ideals of civilised living have been trashed by the current government.

The tories don't respect those values, and it's plain for all to see. There is nothing honest about them, nothing at all, and I think the penny is starting to drop with their core voters. The last couple of by-election results have reflected the revulsion many people feel about being taken for fools and lied to. They have dug a hole for themselves that is so deep it's difficult to see how they can scramble their way out of it.

They aren't going to publish an economic plan because that would expose the folly of leaving the EU, they don't care about Northern Ireland because that will expose the stupidity of the rest of the UK leaving the single market and the customs union, and they lied their way into power with 'level up' bullshit for the north and telling us WTO rules were an acceptable alternative, energy cost's would come down, clothing cost's would come down, the price of food would come down, we would strike a trade deal with the USA, a trade deal with the EU would be the easiest trade deal in history, and the world would be knocking on our door to strike deals with us.

Bullshit, Bullshit and more Bullshit.

Like I said, there is not one word of truth coming from the mouths of any tory politician at the moment, but I'll go back to that journalist writing about his mother, the lifelong tory party voter.

'I like Keir Starmer. He comes across as honest. I'll be voting for him at the next election'.

Old people with old values, a bit like me.
 
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Am I the only one blatantly amazed that the Tories are still in power? This has to be the most corrupt Western European government I can ever remember. Where is people's intelligence? Where are their balls? If this was France they would be losing their shit whilst our population is as docile as it is ignorant.

From punting off the NHS, dodgy contracts, sleaze, mismanagement, consistently lying PM...its never ending. And we allow it to get worse and worse.

Seems the country is full of people who think that if they are doing OK then fuck everyone else. They knowingly turn a blind eye to what they voted in. Fuck the NHS, fuck the police, fuck education, welfare, compassion. As long as London is comfortable, that's what matters.

The sheer level of press control to me feels like we are entering an Orwellian era. Obviously the money from oil, American pharma and arms dealers is making its way nicely into their bank accounts.

With all that going on, I don't see how anyone could vote Tory. They are absolute scum. Surely your conscious kicks in at some point? Is money all that people really give a shit about now? All those WW2 soldiers that returned from hell and built the amazing NHS are having their legacy shat on by disconnected, selfish working class thinking they are big time. Funny how they are the first to complain however.

London consistently votes for Labour candidates, almost overwhelmingly. It's the shires outside that vote Tory.
 
The main thing the last decade tells us is that people will happily be anally raped by the Govt rather than admit they may have made a mistake at the ballot box - that applies over a series of votes which have seen people fucked over but in denial. Its like that post on Turkey yesterday where a guy was defending the Govt saying that he was wearing a jacket he got out of someone's bin which was proof if someone can throw away such quality clothing the economy can't be in a mess. The response being

"dude - if things are going so well why are you looking for clothing in the bin"
I'll happily admit I made a grave mistake voting for this lying bastard and his corrupt ways of working. That said, the alternative made my vote decision for me.

The Queen needs to step in and let both party leaders know what is and what isn't acceptable and if they steer too far off piste, she will intervene.
 
I'll happily admit I made a grave mistake voting for this lying bastard and his corrupt ways of working. That said, the alternative made my vote decision for me.

The Queen needs to step in and let both party leaders know what is and what isn't acceptable and if they steer too far off piste, she will intervene.
The Queen has spent her life avoiding political infuence. But I think a sizable majority would have no issue at all if she called Johnson in and told him to resign. A significant break in precedent but then he's done that himself with his shithouse approach and constant lying.
 
The Queen has spent her life avoiding political infuence. But I think a sizable majority would have no issue at all if she called Johnson in and told him to resign. A significant break in precedent but then he's done that himself with his shithouse approach and constant lying.
I would like to know her thoughts on the current UK political landscape.

You could argue if she doesn't engage, then she is comfortable with how the country is being run, or she is well out of touch or being misinformed.
 
They're quite literally laughing at us. Episodes like this bring back that Orwell quote, "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

He can't have much longer in power. I wholeheartedly agree with the poster above, the Queen is Head of State so put that title to good use and get rid of this lecherous prick.
 
I would like to know her thoughts on the current UK political landscape.

You could argue if she doesn't engage, then she is comfortable with how the country is being run, or she is well out of touch or being misinformed.
She will have an opinion I'm sure however she is powerless and is generally (for good reason) not allowed to get involved. She cannot remove a PM because the leader of a party is a party matter, we don't elect PM's, we elect MP's.

Parliament therefore also cannot hold a vote of no confidence in a PM, they can only do it in the government but that requires a majority including within government which is never going to happen.

The only way Boris will be booted out is at the next election, however if the Tories think they'll lose that election then there's a good chance they'll remove Boris and someone else will lead them into it.
 
The majority yes, bot all areas. Still plenty in the blue. You also didnt read me saying otherwise.

Sorry I must be misinterpreting the below then.

"Seems the country is full of people who think that if they are doing OK then fuck everyone else. They knowingly turn a blind eye to what they voted in. Fuck the NHS, fuck the police, fuck education, welfare, compassion. As long as London is comfortable, that's what matters."

There are plenty of Northern seats that voted Tory. Not sure London was the priority of those voters.

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She will have an opinion I'm sure however she is powerless and is generally (for good reason) not allowed to get involved. She cannot remove a PM because the leader of a party is a party matter, we don't elect PM's, we elect MP's.

Parliament therefore also cannot hold a vote of no confidence in a PM, they can only do it in the government but that requires a majority including within government which is never going to happen.

The only way Boris will be booted out is at the next election, however if the Tories think they'll lose that election then there's a good chance they'll remove Boris and someone else will lead them into it.
I thought she had every power to dissolve a government if she thought national interests warranted it, but I my be wrong
 
I thought she had every power to dissolve a government if she thought national interests warranted it, but I my be wrong
She can technically do anything she wants but there is no historical precedence for her to use such powers just because she might dislike a government. It will differ by monarch but this Queen certainly won't and has never encroached on Parliament.

The only time the Queen has used these powers is to dissolve a government following losing a no confidence vote.

She could remove the government on the basis of the wishes of the nation but how do you prove that? At least 30%+ of the country supports Boris, that's hardly the overwhelming wishes of the nation.
 
Johnson will remain PM while it suits Tory MPs to keep him as PM. There is around 80 Tory ERG MPs who can see an advantage in a weak PM and a divided cabinet. An election is a few years away, so why rush in to get rid when you can push Johnson in the direction you want?

Can’t see Johnson resigning either, no matter what revelations come out. He’ll just smirk a bit, blather a lot and carry on. Everyone knew he was unsuited to be PM, yet they elevated him to that position and the country voted for him anyway.

He chucked NI under the Brexit bus, lied about it and everyone cheered, so you can see why he doesn’t think resigning, or doing the right thing, applies to him. He ducked an Andrew Neil interview and people rewarded him for running away. The lesson of Johnson for future politicians is that lying and running away to avoid scrutiny works.
 
Following this on BBC New Live and they've just shown some quotes from a Tory MP called Michael Fabricant. I've never heard of him. Is this bloke some sort of Poundland Boris?

I'm convinced he is a Chris Morris/Armando Iannucci creation hahaha
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Following this on BBC New Live and they've just shown some quotes from a Tory MP called Michael Fabricant. I've never heard of him. Is this bloke some sort of Poundland Boris?

I'm convinced he is a Chris Morris/Armando Iannucci creation hahaha
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You may be surprised to learn he gets very touchy about questions about his hair - don't know why its all bought and paid for
 
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Maybe the queen quite likes Johnson. The constant media meddling by the tories takes away the spotlight from her own corruption/family issues.
 
Johnson will remain PM while it suits Tory MPs to keep him as PM. There is around 80 Tory ERG MPs who can see an advantage in a weak PM and a divided cabinet. An election is a few years away, so why rush in to get rid when you can push Johnson in the direction you want?

Can’t see Johnson resigning either, no matter what revelations come out. He’ll just smirk a bit, blather a lot and carry on. Everyone knew he was unsuited to be PM, yet they elevated him to that position and the country voted for him anyway.

He chucked NI under the Brexit bus, lied about it and everyone cheered, so you can see why he doesn’t think resigning, or doing the right thing, applies to him. He ducked an Andrew Neil interview and people rewarded him for running away. The lesson of Johnson for future politicians is that lying and running away to avoid scrutiny works.
I think the problem for the erg, is that they are running a heavy risk of Johnson being perceived as ‘damaged goods‘ now, and that perception attaching to brexit in the public view.
Nobody really voted for nebulous incomprehensible nonsense like ‘levelling up’ but they did vote for ‘get brexit done’ which is forever associated with the lying fraud and when he looks bad, so does brexit.
Brexit first at all costs and if the erg see dumping blobby as expedient……so be it.
 

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