City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Metalartin said:
Not sure if this has been posted but there's a nice compilation of City finance data on this twitter thread:



Nice work, if you're on here. Just one request though, change the "related" column of Etihad's sponsorship to "No"(surely you know better than that?). Failing that, change the heading of the column to "Abu-Dhabi/UAE based". If that's what you meant.
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Thought the general informed opinion on here was that Etihad accounted for 15% of sponsorship. That analysis has it at 27%?
 
Bandofblues said:
Thought the general informed opinion on here was that Etihad accounted for 15% of sponsorship. That analysis has it at 27%?
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I thought Etihad was in the region of £70m per year, but I'm not sure if that's for City alone or the CFG
If we took it for City alone, £600m income ÷ £70m Etihad is around 12% of total
 
ChicagoBlue said:
It’s home streaming that captures the players, then it’s places like the new arena that puts them all under one roof!

They fill arenas with the eSports being conducted on huge screens for all to see.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see the FIFA eWorld Cup in Manchester in the near future!

Demographically, it is a premium marketing cohort that is both rabid about their “likes” and full of leading edge influencers.
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I just ran this little lot through Google Translate and I think I broke it...
 
cleavers said:
Correct, ferguson left them deep in the shit, and he knew it, wouldn't be surprised if gill knew it was coming as well.
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Or, as I read on Sad Cafe recently (sorry, yes, I do have a look in there for giggles from time to time)

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Reading this, I cannot help laughing again.
 
So the only cost higher at city than other clubs is amortization I wonder if this will go down when Fernandinho Torres Mendy leave or go up with new LB CM and ST we could also be helped by perhaps using Palmer as long term replacement for maybe Mahrez we will also have to see what happens with contract extensions for example Sterling I guess it will end up going up again
 
WRicko said:
So the only cost higher at city than other clubs is amortization I wonder if this will go down when Fernandinho Torres Mendy leave or go up with new LB CM and ST we could also be helped by perhaps using Palmer as long term replacement for maybe Mahrez we will also have to see what happens with contract extensions for example Sterling I guess it will end up going up again
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let’s have the highest one, it’s called flexing their financial might in United’s day!!
 
WRicko said:
So the only cost higher at city than other clubs is amortization I wonder if this will go down when Fernandinho Torres Mendy leave or go up with new LB CM and ST we could also be helped by perhaps using Palmer as long term replacement for maybe Mahrez we will also have to see what happens with contract extensions for example Sterling I guess it will end up going up again
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Contract extensions reduce amortisation.
e.g 80M transfer with a 4 year contract - appears on accounts at 20M/year.
After 2 years, there is a nominal 40M left of that contract.
A contract extension of +2 years, means that 40M is then amortised over 4 years, not two, so drops from 20M/year to 10M/year.

Torres' leaving will remove his, but it'll have gained Grealish, as an example. Fernandinho's is almost certainly 0, as his contract expired and a short one signed.

It will start to go down only when City stop spending transfer fees (ignoring alternatives like extending everyone's contracts).
 
ChicagoBlue said:
It’s home streaming that captures the players, then it’s places like the new arena that puts them all under one roof!

They fill arenas with the eSports being conducted on huge screens for all to see.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see the FIFA eWorld Cup in Manchester in the near future!

Demographically, it is a premium marketing cohort that is both rabid about their “likes” and full of leading edge influencers.
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Yeah. That was my point in a jokey post earlier. Go one step further and the arena they fill is a Meta arena in which participants are sort of there together. City are involved in a project to develop a meta arena. It will happen.
 
Has anyone got a link to a good explanation of what FIFAs change to player loan deals will mean for us? Call me paranoid, but I’m guessing it will be aimed at trying to shackle us (and Chelsea).
 
trotsky said:
Has anyone got a link to a good explanation of what FIFAs change to player loan deals will mean for us? Call me paranoid, but I’m guessing it will be aimed at trying to shackle us (and Chelsea).
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It'll impact us but may just end up with us selling players to each other 2 year loan becomes a sale with sell on if they don't develop or a cheap buy back if they do. Each hand washes the other

Troyes manager got the hump and handed his cards in in December as he didn't like the loan players having to play
 
Bandofblues said:
Thought the general informed opinion on here was that Etihad accounted for 15% of sponsorship. That analysis has it at 27%?
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I had missed the date on it. It was made 31st December 2021. He's waiting for the Liverpool and Arsenal accounts to be released, to do an updated version of it.



£67m was 27% of the £246.3m commercial revenue of 2020's accounts. It rounds up to 25% of the £271.7m commercial revenue of 2021's accounts.

I don't think it's 100% accurate either way though, he's made a few assumptions and errors here and there IMO. To be fair to him, he's not claiming to be a finance expert. He's just a fan with an interest in the data.

Has City ever officially said what the split is on the shirt, stadium and training complex sponsorship revenue for instance?

Do we know how much of the Puma revenue can be used in Manchester City's own accounts?

The 20% of commercial revenue, outside of the 7 major sponsors, is interesting. Since only one of them seems to be related party, I can hear the sighs of disappointment from the agenda pushers already. It would be nice to know the actual amounts of each, if they are publicly available anywhere.

It was still a good effort that I hadn't seen before, I thought. At the very least, it could be a nice reference point for anyone wanting to make their own, with some corrections and/or less assumptions.
 
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MillionMilesAway said:
Contract extensions reduce amortisation.
e.g 80M transfer with a 4 year contract - appears on accounts at 20M/year.
After 2 years, there is a nominal 40M left of that contract.
A contract extension of +2 years, means that 40M is then amortised over 4 years, not two, so drops from 20M/year to 10M/year.

Torres' leaving will remove his, but it'll have gained Grealish, as an example. Fernandinho's is almost certainly 0, as his contract expired and a short one signed.

It will start to go down only when City stop spending transfer fees (ignoring alternatives like extending everyone's contracts).
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I know how it works I was just trying gage what the result would be

iv been thinking for years it will go down as we produce more players sell better and keep renewing contract but it doesn’t seem to make any difference due to us having to replace players and prices going up
 
FFP is done and dusted for us. UEFA won't punish us anymore , they are fighting for their existence.

I think transfer fees won't be the Problem now , I think it's the wages nowadays
 
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