Nah fuck off Ukraine. It doesn’t matter who you want to elect or how you’d like to modernise your economy and move into a more liberal 21st century, some cûnt on Bluemoon thinks it’s more respectful to just let Russia install a puppet and control you from Moscow. You’ve only yourself to blame for choosing to be so close to Russia’s border. /sThe fact is that instead of leaving a sort of respectful 'buffer zone' of former eastern Blok nation's NATO and the EU have pushed an expansionist policy East up to Russia's doorstep, and quite fairly Putin has had enough. We are trying to leverage anti russian sentiment in western Ukraine and paint Putin as the warmonger. It's almost like the west has realised we need a new cold war to stimulate the arms industry and boost our economies.....
Think about your two paragraphs in the cold light of day and you’ll realise they make absolutely zero sense. There are no troops camped on Russia’s doorstep. You’re more likely to grow 3 dicks this afternoon than nato invade Russia in your lifetime.It’s all good and well hearing how Putin has Russian forces camped on the Wests border but we also have troops and missiles camped on his.
Both sides have to back down here and realise that a buffer zone is needed between the two sides.
The Chinese are definitely a concern (Having 100M+ more men than women is never a good thing for a start). However I honestly can’t see the Chinese doing anything militarily, as they are increasingly prosperous and are ‘winning’ the commercial wars/land grabs without it.You answered the question numerous times, but then skipped over it in order to get scary about nukes!
“AIRCRAFT carrier”
Control the skies over Ukraine, if invited, patrol the Black Sea, project power and see over the horizon.
The Black Sea is essential to Russia and Ukraine “almost” owns access to the northern Black Sea.
Crimea changed that, and with Ukraine, Crimea, and a friendly and compliant Turkey, it gives Russia COMPLETE control over the Black Sea, access to the Eastern Med & their new Middle Eastern seaport buddy in Syria!
Russia is doing in the “west” what China is doing in the South China Sea/Taipei/Philippines & Far East…pushing their boundaries OUT to protect from US and their Allies hemming them IN.
There are 2 Siperpowrrs in the world and a Wannabee. The Wannabee revolves around one man and his Soviet obsession. I worry less about him than the other one, which has designs on not being hemmed on by the Japan/South Korea/Taipei “oriental curtain” that hems them in. Take Taipei and they negate the southern islands of Japan being an informal blockade and can project their “new and improved” world’s fastest growing Navy into the Philippines Sea and deep water Pacific…that the US currently owns.
Get rid of Duterte and the Philippines becomes up for grabs. If China grabs it, then their power projection into the Pacific becomes very, very expensive to even attempt to replicate or address….and we all know the Royal Navy, Oz or NZ, ain’t getting that job done!
Step back and you see THE major geopolitical HOTSPOTS of the world being fought over without firing a weapon YET.
The question now is whether there is ENOUGH TRADE AND DIPLOMACY IN THE WORLD to stop these two Superpowers from taking what they feel they both deserve and need for their future protection AND power projection?
Xi Jinping (July 2021)
“The Chinese people will never allow any foreign forces to bully us. Anyone who dares to try will have their heads bashed bloody against a Great Wall of Steel.”
Hmmm, not much room for interpretation there…
There is no nuclear war over Ukraine.The Chinese are definitely a concern (Having 100M+ more men than women is never a good thing for a start). However I honestly can’t see the Chinese doing anything militarily, as they are increasingly prosperous and are ‘winning’ the commercial wars/land grabs without it.
Russia is another matter, less predictable I’d say with Putin at the helm. However, back to my original point. They might not be the Superpower they were (in itself part of the problem), but they still possess enough power to destroy the world a few times over, which in a potential conflict is ‘super-enough’. Putin has been flying Russian planes around the UK and driving Aircraft carriers through the English Channel. I don’t imagine a U.S. aircraft carrier in the area, or U.S. aircraft flying over the Ukraine would affect his decision, if he’s got the balls/stupidity to decide to invade Ukraine.
Why do you think I was getting scary about nukes by the way (I’m not being argumentative…just interested in your thoughts)? If there’s any kind of sustained fighting involving Russia and the U.S. and if the U.S. and its allies start inflicting heavy losses and back them into a corner with a threat of further losses, I can’t see Russia avoiding using tactical nukes?
If you believe the US aren’t prepared to get into a fight over Ukraine, then I expect Putin believes it too and hence the movement of an aircraft carrier to the area to posture is of little consequence I expect.There is no nuclear war over Ukraine.
He spot on. Although obviously no where near the cold war presence in West Germany, NATO forces have steadily established bases eastwards through the 90's to the present day. Putin/Russia are no angels, but this is the same as the US crying over Chinese expansionism while at the same time encircling China in the Pacific with military bases.Think about your two paragraphs in the cold light of day and you’ll realise they make absolutely zero sense. There are no troops camped on Russia’s doorstep. You’re more likely to grow 3 dicks this afternoon than nato invade Russia in your lifetime.
Whereas Russia have already invaded Ukraine and annexed the Crimea.
Lol - it's all about our love for freedom and democracy. Something we usually drop on people from about 12000ft!Nah fuck off Ukraine. It doesn’t matter who you want to elect or how you’d like to modernise your economy and move into a more liberal 21st century, some cûnt on Bluemoon thinks it’s more respectful to just let Russia install a puppet and control you from Moscow. You’ve only yourself to blame for choosing to be so close to Russia’s border. /s
Fuck knows how you got any “likes” for that load of guff.
Whilst I’m usually first to give the Yanks a dig in the ribs over their love of dropping freedom all over the Middle East, if it wasn’t for the US’s support of Ukraine right now, they’d be fully under Russian military control. Their people don’t want that, I believe in self determination and thus Putin can go fuck himself.Lol - it's all about our love for freedom and democracy. Something we usually drop on people from about 12000ft!
Fair enough, but I think part of the problem is that a large portion of the Ukraine wants to be Russian? A difficult problem -like some Irish folk being adamant they are British I suppose. I personally think the Ukraine should remain a sovereign state free of western or Russian interference.Whilst I’m usually first to give the Yanks a dig in the ribs over their love of dropping freedom all over the Middle East, if it wasn’t for the US’s support of Ukraine right now, they’d be fully under Russian military control. Their people don’t want that, I believe in self determination and thus Putin can go fuck himself.
He spot on. Although obviously no where near the cold war presence in West Germany, NATO forces have steadily established bases eastwards through the 90's to the present day. Putin/Russia are no angels, but this is the same as the US crying over Chinese expansionism while at the same time encircling China in the Pacific with military bases.
Whilst I’m usually first to give the Yanks a dig in the ribs over their love of dropping freedom all over the Middle East, if it wasn’t for the US’s support of Ukraine right now, they’d be fully under Russian military control. Their people don’t want that, I believe in self determination and thus Putin can go fuck himself.
Not like the Germans to turn their noses up at a conflict with Russia.Germany is definitely out of sync with the rest of Europe over Ukraine. Frankly, they have been embarrassing themselves.
If you think every fight that involves casualties requires a nuclear response, none of us would be alive today and even the cockroaches would be struggling with the nuclear winter.If you believe the US aren’t prepared to get into a fight over Ukraine, then I expect Putin believes it too and hence the movement of an aircraft carrier to the area to posture is of little consequence I expect.
if you believe the US are prepared to get into a fight, I hope your optimism it won’t escalate is well founded.
I think Ukrainian determination should come from free and fair elections, so the Ukrainian people can exercise self determination.Fair enough, but I think part of the problem is that a large portion of the Ukraine wants to be Russian? A difficult problem -like some Irish folk being adamant they are British I suppose. I personally think the Ukraine should remain a sovereign state free of western or Russian interference.
I think Ukrainian determination should come from free and fair elections, so the Ukrainian people can exercise self determination.
Ukraine poses no threat to Russia and Biden has already stated that Ukraine becoming a NATO state is not on the foreseeable agenda.
Neither Putin nor Xi wants to be hemmed in or threatened, and (I believe) neither of them are.
That said, their desire for expansionist states is a global threat to democracy and the free trade that comes with it.
Russia wants to control the Black Sea, have a short cut to the East Med and Middle East, and control its southern border BUFFER.
I think the US and Europe can assure Russia that their control is not under threat, as long as they don’t move on Ukraine.
If they do, then we are off to the races and much face-saving must be done, possibly the hard way!
I don’t think that every fight results in nuclear escalation, which is why I said “if the U.S. and its allies start inflicting heavy losses and back them into a corner with a threat of further losses, I can’t see Russia avoiding using tactical nukes?”If you think every fight that involves casualties requires a nuclear response, none of us would be alive today and even the cockroaches would be struggling with the nuclear winter.
I’m certainly not saying there won’t be “fighting,” and the use of a significant naval force is both deterrent and threat. Take as needed.
The US is not going to a first strike nuclear stance, even though it reserves the right to do so, over a non-NATO former Soviet state. It would be madness.
That’s not to say there are not available widowmakers without the need for nuclear tips on them.
China is very different to Russia geopolitically, they're not interested in war or conflict because for them everything comes down to the Chinese economy which is what gives them their power. In any event China doesn't need to fire a single bullet, it could easily start an economic war that would devastate the world.I think Ukrainian determination should come from free and fair elections, so the Ukrainian people can exercise self determination.
Ukraine poses no threat to Russia and Biden has already stated that Ukraine becoming a NATO state is not on the foreseeable agenda.
Neither Putin nor Xi wants to be hemmed in or threatened, and (I believe) neither of them are.
That said, their desire for expansionist states is a global threat to democracy and the free trade that comes with it.
Russia wants to control the Black Sea, have a short cut to the East Med and Middle East, and control its southern border BUFFER.
I think the US and Europe can assure Russia that their control is not under threat, as long as they don’t move on Ukraine.
If they do, then we are off to the races and much face-saving must be done, possibly the hard way!
Or maybe just unleash a virusChina doesn't need to fire a single bullet, it could easily start an economic war that would devastate the world.
I couldn't disagree more. China is wrapped up integrally with the world economy. I agree that China could damage the world economy greatly by instigating an economic war. By "easily" - no way.In any event China doesn't need to fire a single bullet, it could easily start an economic war that would devastate the world.
China own the majority of US sovereign debt, the US could also bankrupt China overnight by defaulting. It serves no one’s purpose for the US/China to have at it economically as they’d both fuck themselves to high heaven, and they’re both aware of that.China is very different to Russia geopolitically, they're not interested in war or conflict because for them everything comes down to the Chinese economy which is what gives them their power. In any event China doesn't need to fire a single bullet, it could easily start an economic war that would devastate the world.
This is why we have to treat China very carefully because economic sanctions would be suicidal and inevitably affect ourselves as much as China itself. Trump tried it and the US/world economy faltered somewhat but the Chinese economy in comparison was barely affected.
With Russia it's different and for Putin it's all about the military power play because the reality is Russia have strong armed forces but that's all they have, they're not actually a major player as a nation. The west could for example bankrupt Russia overnight and that's why a war in Ukraine precipitating into a war with the west is very unlikely but Putin has to be seen to be strong.