The Scottish Politics thread

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Question to the Scots in here, as I’m genuinely interested. Fascinated, you might say.
Supposing you do go for independence, in the aftermath, what are your political options beyond the SNP. Is there a genuine opposition as an alternative.

Really hard to see or think that far ahead.

The main parties, including the SNP would need to almost redefine themselves. The greens maybe less so, the lib-dems may never truly know what the fuck they are. But labour and conservatives will need a reform. Snp too, imo, perhaps not as extensive though.

Imagine folk might want a bit of consistency so maybe little chance of alternatives initially. Longer term, fuck fucking knows.
 
You’ve misunderstood where I am, I’m perfectly happy and actively want you to go your own way. Please do.

Scotland gets more money per head of population to spend and has a designated parliament to sort local issues in Scotland.

If you had the same in the north of England and upped the budget we get then child poverty would reduce more here too.

My point on voting is that it isn’t just about the Tories is it, if Scotland voted Labour then there would be a real chance next time the Tories will lose. Ironically Labour were the only unionist party who agreed to another Scot independent vote

In essence, you want English independence, but want someone else to vote for it?
 
Interesting. We shall see with time.

On the face of it, you may have a bit of a point. It might be well beyond that, it is almost self sustaining now, and might not matter.

Or, you may just not be seeing it, for any number of reasons.

When a 20 year old Mhairi Black took the long held Labour seat off Douglas Alexander, I remember thinking, man folk will vote anyone in as long as they are SNP. Turns out, she is actually pretty damn good, and has been consistent. It can be premature, judging 'talent' of background players.

There are a fair few to choose from, some prominent and well spoken, some loudmouthed and attention seaking, some quiet and clever. With the levels of support they have now, hardly going to come down to individual popularity, I would guess.
Kate Forbes is pretty smart. They will need an army of smart people to pull off independence though.
 
Interesting. We shall see with time.

On the face of it, you may have a bit of a point. It might be well beyond that, it is almost self sustaining now, and might not matter.

Or, you may just not be seeing it, for any number of reasons.

When a 20 year old Mhairi Black took the long held Labour seat off Douglas Alexander, I remember thinking, man folk will vote anyone in as long as they are SNP. Turns out, she is actually pretty damn good, and has been consistent. It can be premature, judging 'talent' of background players.

There are a fair few to choose from, some prominent and well spoken, some loudmouthed and attention seaking, some quiet and clever. With the levels of support they have now, hardly going to come down to individual popularity, I would guess.
They had the chance to get a top finance person in the Edinburgh seat but that got given to Angus Robertson because he knows where the dead bodies are in the party. If John Swinney becomes leader then they are sunk.
 
But English independence all the same, whatever way it is voted?
With respect Scotland voting themselves out of the union doesn’t equate to a vote for English independence.
You mentioned previously you’d see fit to take Wales with you.
What about the rest of the Union?
 
With respect Scotland voting themselves out of the union doesn’t equate to a vote for English independence.
You mentioned previously you’d see fit to take Wales with you.
What about the rest of the Union?

I assume that wasn't meant for me, but the response.
 



this was the exchange between Ian Blackford and Johnson yesterday at PMQ. Also the Tory back bench reaction to the ‘fat joke’.
just a very visible indication of the disdain shown on a regular basis to Scotlands elected representatives.


It’s wrong and should stop but so to should the line saying “disdain shown to Scotlands representatives on a regular basis.”

When was the last time the SNP showed anything but disdain for Westminster as they constantly demand away from the place?

It’s politics, it’s dirty and it’s one big game they all play so the scouse victim mentality needs to be dropped imo.
 
It’s wrong and should stop but so to should the line saying “disdain shown to Scotlands representatives on a regular basis.”

When was the last time the SNP showed anything but disdain for Westminster as they constantly demand away from the place?

It’s politics, it’s dirty and it’s one big game they all play so the scouse victim mentality needs to be dropped imo.
Sorry mate. Don’t agree unless you show me the equivalent behaviour from Scottish Parliament.
 
Sorry mate. Don’t agree unless you show me the equivalent behaviour from Scottish Parliament.

Im talking about SNP MP’s in parliament. Do you not think for a second when it’s a joke or attack on the PM(deserved no doubt)they are all in hysterics themselves, jeering and laughing about it?

Is that showing disdain or is it the rough and tumble that is politics?
 
Im talking about SNP MP’s in parliament. Do you not think for a second when it’s a joke or attack on the PM(deserved no doubt)they are all in hysterics themselves, jeering and laughing about it?

Is that showing disdain or is it the rough and tumble that is politics?
I haven’t seen it in Scottish parliament. Show me examples.
 
Both fair comments. Boris is unfit for office and blackford is a fat **** that eats too many cakes.
Blackford would be Scottish version of the French Taunter from Monty Python. Peering over his castle walls to abuse any English person who dare knock on his door.

I'm not his biggest fan. However as a politician he's done a lot more agitating against this government, and previous ones than the official opposition parties.

As for Scottish independence. Who wouldn't want to break away from this corrupt country and start anew?
 
Sorry mate. Don’t agree unless you show me the equivalent behaviour from Scottish Parliament.

He's not wrong. Holyrood, sure a bit different, but he was talking about Westminster. Fucking clown show that place, the way they conduct discussions. All of them.

It is a typical Westminster response, and for every 'shows disdain' headline, there will be a 'boris brutally shuts down moany jock' headline elsewhere. I'm looking at you the express. Just how it is
 
Is this disdain enough? The gammon Tory **** should have been sacked after such a comment. And the speakers response was equally pathetic. Westminster is stuck in the Victorian days, as are many of it's Tory MPs.

 
Im talking about SNP MP’s in parliament. Do you not think for a second when it’s a joke or attack on the PM(deserved no doubt)they are all in hysterics themselves, jeering and laughing about it?

Is that showing disdain or is it the rough and tumble that is politics?
I’m sorry mate. I wasn’t careful enough reading this yesterday. You may have a point that that bear pit encourages bad behaviour. I genuinely haven’t seen as bad from them though. I actually think they have been pretty effective (as far as they can be) at holding the **** to account.

anyway apologies again.
 

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