Neil Young demands Spotify remove his music.

Kippaxpete said:
Which is all very well until you present a straw man argument like this in response to what is, fundamentally, not an issue about free speech or freedom of expression, principles for which I would fight with the same passion expressed in your post. Neither Neil Young or Joni Mitchell have sought to prevent the likes of Rogan from broadcasting their 'message'. Instead, both have taken a stand by simply saying they no longer wish to share the same platform. I would add that any attempt to characterise the debate as one of fearless defenders of free speech against the 'loony lefties' is reductive, naïve and potentially dangerous and smacks of the gaslighting tactics employed by Trump's lunatic following.
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You should be criticising the 'misinformation' from Young, himself, who first decided to make Spotify make a choice before changing tact and, subsequently, the media that still hang on that line.

He's full of shit and it's all about the money.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You need to write to the head telling him in no uncertain terms that they can have your kid, or the teacher, but they can't have both.
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Not actually as stupid as it sounds.
If you don’t like the methods or message being taught in a school, you have that freedom, to pull your kid and place him somewhere else that is in more keeping with your ethics.
Doesn’t mean you will get other parents to do the same.
 
Bigga said:
You should be criticising the 'misinformation' from Young, himself, who first decided to make Spotify make a choice before changing tact and, subsequently, the media that still hang on that line.

He's full of shit and it's all about the money.
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Ah well, that's the debate all done and dusted then.
By the way, it's 'tack' not 'tact'.
 
hgblue said:
Seems to me people, predominantly on the left, have abandoned core principles like freedom of speech and freedom of choice, because they have forgotten why these basic human rights have been fundamental to our progress. It feels a bit weird living in a world where it has become routine for dissident voices to be silenced and medical interventions to be mandated, and for these actions to be cheered on by people who have previously championed freedom.

We've already instituted legal constraints about what can be said, such as incitement and defamation, and these seem fair enough to me because they set reasonable limits and in return we are guaranteed that our rights to speak will be respected. But now we want certain opinions to be beyond the pale and removed from the public square do we? That's considered progressive these days is it?

Ok, so which opinions are beyond the pale and who decides? The government? Well the political persuasion of governments changes regularly, so do we change the rules every time we change a governing party? Doesn't seem very practical to me. How about letting trillion dollar corporations decide? That working well at the moment? The profit incentive not going to interfere with the decision making process? How about a situation where the owners of these corporations have a particular political ideology and start banning people who they see as being antagonistic to them? Is that an acceptable solution? Well maybe if you happen to share that ideology but that doesn't make you particularly pro free speech in my book.

Being pro free speech means defending the right of people you disagree with to have a voice and to engage in the battle of ideas, trusting people to be able to decide for themselves which ideas are the strongest, and not to censor the ideas people are permitted to be exposed to. If you find yourself on the other side of this argument it may be time to stop beating about the bush and accept that you are in fact anti free speech, and you're not the good guys in this situation.
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Freedom of speech has never fully existed or been casually allowed/accepted by any one of any political wing.

In the 70s/80s pre internet and social media people with extreme views for example the NF would march and be met by those that wanted to silence their rhetoric and be fought on the streets.

So left winger stoppig free speach is nowt new, just like right wingers stopping free speach and oppressing voices isn't either.

Now people.use the likes of twitter to spout shite and get abused back.

Same shit as alway but we have gone from analogue to digital in how it's done.

All this NY stuff is akin to if he had a gig at a place and he objected to who was on the stage with him so cancelled his appearance.

It's a non story blown up by the digital age.

Pus this has fuck all to do with free speach as young hasn't said rogan cannot have a podcast or should be silenced, just he wants no association with him
 
Kippaxpete said:
Which is all very well until you present a straw man argument like this in response to what is, fundamentally, not an issue about free speech or freedom of expression, principles for which I would fight with the same passion expressed in your post. Neither Neil Young or Joni Mitchell have sought to prevent the likes of Rogan from broadcasting their 'message'. Instead, both have taken a stand by simply saying they no longer wish to share the same platform. I would add that any attempt to characterise the debate as one of fearless defenders of free speech against the 'loony lefties' is reductive, naïve and potentially dangerous and smacks of the gaslighting tactics employed by Trump's lunatic following.
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Don’t be so naive, this is clearly being presented by those who appose Joe’s views and the bandwagon jumping on as an attempt to get this snowballing into the cancellation of Joe Rogan. The bigger picture is that this is absolutely about freedom of speech and who should and shouldn’t have a voice in our society. Luckily it seems like many are getting absolutely sick of the increasing controls placed on our society & are fighting back.
 
malg said:
Yep. Spotify have kind of got away with that. I was going to try one of those other streaming sites to see if I could spot the difference - give it a 3 month trial. I have a decent hi-fi set up so I should hear the difference, but I can't cancel Spotify now as they'd think I was a fan of Neil Young's music, and I can't have that!
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It'll be interesting to know if you can hear any differences between the two. I'm fairly certain it would be quite difficult to hear the difference without really high end equipment.

I think the difference between normal quality in audio is probably more subtle than it is with say image quality on a TV. Like if you say the Spotify quality (320kbps) is equivalent to 1080p on a TV. It's very noticeable to myself the difference between 1080p and 4k because it's four times the number of pixels.

But with sound quality. Four times 320kbps is 1280kbps which is quite close to the CD quality kbps of 1411kbps. I'm not convinced I could tell the difference between 320kbps and CD quality with the same authority.
 
Lee1983 said:
Don’t be so naive, this is clearly being presented by those who appose Joe’s views and the bandwagon jumping on as an attempt to get this snowballing into the cancellation of Joe Rogan. The bigger picture is that this is absolutely about freedom of speech and who should and shouldn’t have a voice in our society. Luckily it seems like many are getting absolutely sick of the increasing controls placed on our society & are fighting back.
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Fighting back? Haha!
 
Lee1983 said:
Don’t be so naive, this is clearly being presented by those who appose Joe’s views and the bandwagon jumping on as an attempt to get this snowballing into the cancellation of Joe Rogan. The bigger picture is that this is absolutely about freedom of speech and who should and shouldn’t have a voice in our society. Luckily it seems like many are getting absolutely sick of the increasing controls placed on our society & are fighting back.
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I may be many things but naïve I'm not. I was referring specifically to Young's decision to request Spotify remove his content while required to share that particular platform with Rogan's podcast. However anyone wishes to define it, that is not an attempt at censorship, rather a means of expressing his disdain at Spotify for giving a platform to someone who is content to invite guests on to his podcast whom Young feels are promoting a dangerous ideology. Irrespective of whether I or anyone else agrees with the views espoused, by his actions, Young and Mitchell have exercised their right to freedom of expression and effectively told Spotify to do one. I suspect our fundamental views on free speech are no different. As such, isn't their action to be applauded rather than condemned?
 
Phil1 said:
Fighting back? Haha!
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Stick to Granada reports then, you must be missing the likes of 50,000+ truckers fighting for their beliefs over in Canada, even Elon Musk is pushing back, I bet he’s delighted he left California as it eats itself.
 
Kippaxpete said:
I may be many things but naïve I'm not. I was referring specifically to Young's decision to request Spotify remove his content while required to share that particular platform with Rogan's podcast. However anyone wishes to define it, at, that is not an attempt at censorship, rather a means of expressing his disdain at Spotify for giving a platform to someone who is content to invite guests on to his podcast whom Young feels are promoting a danger ideology. Irrespective of whether I or anyone else agrees with the views espoused, by his actions, Young and Mitchell have exercised their right to freedom of expression and effectively told Spotify to do one. I suspect our fundamental views on free speech are no different. As such, isn't their action to be applauded rather than condemned?
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Maybe so, it’s the weaponising of these things in the media to drive a wedge between us all & push us in a certain direction.
 
Bigga said:
Is it possible, just possible, that Rogan has an opinion of what he had did to avoid getting a vaccine because it worked for him? How would that be 'misinformation' especially if he's not expressed a wish for people not to get the vaccine? He has said he, personally, doesn't think certain sets of people need it, but hasn't directed that as instruction.

You DO understand that science isn't perfect and it's all about opinions? Some scientists say that this pandemic approach has been all wrong and to have dealt with this earlier was to give the vaccine to the most vulnerable and old, not everybody, as healthy people would produce antibodies that are more sustainable and produce blueprints/ memory of viruses.

What's the solution; to keep jabbing to try and vacc the way out, cos that ISN'T HAPPENING!! Omicron is proving that to be a false mindset. So, what's going to happen with Omicron BA.2?

Again to your other point, I find it bizarre how the "making money" aspect is levelled at Rogan when you LITERALLY have Big Pharma making BILLIONS in a quarter AND denying poorer countries the technology to develop vaccines to combat this 'pandemic'.

Does this not seem odd to you...?
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You're wrong. China is still pursuing a zero covid policy because of ineffective vaccines. Developed countries with access to effective vaccines are opening up.



Sit down.

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Lee1983 said:
Stick to Granada reports then, you must be missing the likes of 50,000+ truckers fighting for their beliefs over in Canada, even Elon Musk is pushing back, I bet he’s delighted he left Calafornia as it eats itself.
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Granada reports? Is that still a thing? Not sure of your points but this subject is pretty black and white for me. Rogan has pushed a narrative regarding vaccines which has endangered life. NY doesn’t want to share a platform with him so has left.
The rest is mental gymnastics by people who are too busy decrying the death of free speech when it’s nothing of the sort.
 
Lee1983 said:
Don’t be so naive, this is clearly being presented by those who appose Joe’s views and the bandwagon jumping on as an attempt to get this snowballing into the cancellation of Joe Rogan. The bigger picture is that this is absolutely about freedom of speech and who should and shouldn’t have a voice in our society. Luckily it seems like many are getting absolutely sick of the increasing controls placed on our society & are fighting back.
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Says who, it’s about freedom of speech? You? Not me anyway that’s for sure.
I see it as freedom of choice. Nothing more nothing less.
NY has a view of things that you or I may agree with or not. But I fully support his choice to have his music licensed to play on any platform or not. Haven’t a clue about this other guy Rogan. Never listen to any podcasts on Spotify. Just what I choose to listen to myself.

It’s all about opinions. Young’s, Rogan’s yours, mine. I think your take on this is blowing it beyond what it is in my view. It’s about the artist’s control of content with Neil and he’s been consistent in that all through his career.
The fact that he’s a contrary fucker at the best of times has nothing to do with it.
It’s his choice. It’s his right. He hasn’t pissed over yours or mine to choose otherwise.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Not actually as stupid as it sounds.
If you don’t like the methods or message being taught in a school, you have that freedom, to pull your kid and place him somewhere else that is in more keeping with your ethics.
Doesn’t mean you will get other parents to do the same.
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I'm surprised the teacher thought it was appropriate to share a clip from Rogan's shows. He smokes cigars and pot on otger episodes, swears and talks about adult topics. Yes I know he wouldn't have been doing that during the actual clip shown.

Not really an age appropriate show to introduce kids to, as they likely wouldn't have already been aware of him.

There are plenty of other clips of Brian Cox available.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
You're wrong. China is still pursuing a zero covid policy because of ineffective vaccines. Developed countries with access to effective vaccines are opening up.



Sit down.

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Are you taking the piss??

What's that got to do with what I was talking about?

These are docs that deal with the virus that send their work to Campbell as no MSM cover them.



How about you sit the fuck down?
 
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