Neil Young demands Spotify remove his music.
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Prestwich_Blue
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I did exactly that with my son. In fact a few other fellow parents had done the same the previous year and, knowing we weren't happy, approached us as the private A-Level college they were sending their kids to needed a minimum number to run a GSCE class.
We had a couple of strong complaints against two specific teachers, along some general ones about leadership. We put those complaints to the school and let them deal with it. But we still weren't happy and took him out. Never at any point did I demand that the teachers were sacked. My objective was that the school tackled the issues we'd raised, one about process and another about what we saw as discrimination and harassment.
By tackling those correctly, the school and the teachers involved would have been better for it.
malg
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there has been a lot of chatter recently about exa
My hi-fi is decent quality, but I'd need to see if needed a higher quality streamer to hear the difference. It's worth a go as I'm sure there's a deal to be had on Tidal for a month or two. It's worth a go. I reckon I'd probably talk myself into hearing a difference.....!!
Mr Kobayashi
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Because it shows that vaccines have been effective.
Completely different age demographics in Uganda isn't there?
2% of the population 65+ in the USA it is is 16%.
Less people with obesity.
If you vaccinate people and reduce the relative transmission of the virus then you have less chance of the old, fat and those with comorbidites catching the virus.
Not hard to work out is it?
Bigga
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Rogan - "if you are young fit and healthy you have nothings to fear from Covid "
Joe Rogan: Popular US podcast host says he has Covid-19 but is 'feeling great'
He caused controversy in April when he suggested young, healthy people did not need the vaccine.www.bbc.co.uk
However - Covid and reality begs to differ
Death with Covid: Anglesey rugby player, 34, 'not coming home'
A GP speaks of how her rugby player husband died suddenly after Covid complications.
People can always find a narrative to suit, can't they?
Now, that logic is saying nobody dies from flu or the cold, right? Does everyone die at 1, 2, 3 etc years of age or are there anomalies that happen?
Man drops dead playing football means football is dangerous?
Lightning strikes killing people, anyone?
Man crosses road 99.9% of the time and gets hit the 0.1% he doesn't look properly.
Without any known complications attached, COVID has killed just over 17,000 people on UK data Gov records to date, but they like to factor in 'complications' to boost numbers.
What a redundant argument.
Bigga
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Don't think you understand that Omicron is not affected by the vaccine. Triple vacc'd are STILL getting it.
Your clip shows that there's doubt China's methods are working, otherwise ALL countries would be doing the same. Why aren't they?
Nor have you addressed why the UK or the US haven't vacc'd poor countries if this is so crucial to stop the spread!
if you're going to pick a response, highlight what you're picking and don't choose the whole post.
Mr Kobayashi
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Because developed countries have access to effective vaccines and natural immunity built up during breaks in lockdown (which didn't compromise the vulnerable as much as a no vaccines herd immunity strategy would have done).
China doesn't have access to effective vaccines.
There are also many other reasons why countries cannot copy China, political, economical etc. African countries with simplistic economies and more people living in absolute poverty or closer to the poverty line couldn't actually fully lockdown even if it was necessary.
Except omicron is effected by the vaccine if you have had two doses plus booster. Your point is simple, because it isn't 100% percent effective it isn't effective at all. Nonsense. Sit down again.
Pfizer, Moderna boosters up to 90% effective against Omicron: CDC
Three US studies offer more evidence that third dose of COVID vaccine is highly effective against Omicron.
For many reasons, logistical, economics, political. Not many that are valid excuses though. Isn't an easy thing to do though, particularly when you have the current naked mess in number 10.
Why do you think politicians the UK and USA would feel responsibility for community transmission in other countries?
But officials Europe have felt responsibility for pushing back against new variant transmission when they felt it could be avoided or delayed.
That's no longer possible in the UK but don't discount the possibility of a new travel ban when one pops up again.
I actually think that the patents should be suspended and vaccines should be produced at mass scale license free. But that's a different issue.
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Bigga
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Because developed countries have access to effective vaccines and natural immunity built up during breaks in lockdown (which didn't compromise the vulnerable as much as a no vaccines herd immunity strategy would have done).
China doesn't have access to effective vaccines.
There are also many other reasons why countries cannot copy China, political, economical etc. African countries with simplistic economies and more people living in absolute poverty or closer to the poverty line couldn't actually fully lockdown even if it was necessary.
Except omicron is effected by the vaccine if you have had two doses plus booster. Your point is simple, because it isn't 100% percent effective it isn't effective at all. Nonsense. Sit down again.
Pfizer, Moderna boosters up to 90% effective against Omicron: CDC
Three US studies offer more evidence that third dose of COVID vaccine is highly effective against Omicron.www.aljazeera.com
For many reasons, logistical, economics, political. Not many that are valid excuses though. Isn't an easy thing to do though, particularly when you have the current naked mess in number 10.
Why do you think politicians the UK and USA would feel responsibility for community transmission in other countries?
But officials Europe have felt responsibility for pushing back against new variant transmission when they felt it could be avoided or delayed.
That's no longer possible in the UK but don't discount the possibility of a new travel ban when one pops up again.
I actually think that the patents should be suspended and vaccines should be produced at mass scale license free. But that's a different issue.
Are you for real?? In one argument you're advocating natural immunity in lockdown and the next wanting vaccines, full stop.
You also seem to be okay with the US and UK not sharing this 'crucial' tech with China and Africa when it would, seemingly, benefit the world with your "Why do you think politicians the UK and USA would feel responsibility for community transmission in other countries?" question only to backtrack on it later!
I'm not even so sure you even watched or picked up what the doc was saying in the African vid as to why he thinks the variant hasn't hit Africa the way it did in the West and thus a good reason you can't vacc your way out of this.
Omicron exists for less than a week and it's similar to a cold or flu at most. By the time you decide to vacc against it, it's gone and you have antibodies!
Shall I follow your childish 'sit down' comment as you regurgitate your data?
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Silly. Watch Ross Atkins video on china again. It will be clear.
Really? Do you think politicians usually feel responsibility for something outside of the remit of their elected office?
Community transmission in another country, they cannot control, they are accountable only to their own electorate.
Doesn't matter if you or me declare an interest in mass vaccinations as "citizens of the world". Politicians usually interested in short term issues don't care.
Who would you say was the greater statesman, Boris or Biden? Only one has declared support for an IP waiver.
Biden calls for intellectual property waivers on COVID vaccines
World Trade Organization negotiations over waivers are currently deadlocked amid opposition by some wealthy nations.
Yes I did. He also said according to the summary below that "delta would have been a catastrophe". At the start of this thread where you were talking about Rogan, the discussion was not limited to omicron. You were obviously talking about all forms of Covid 19.
Not sure you really understand. We aren't vaccinating people to stop them having mild illnesses.
Sit back down.
FogBlueInSanFran
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Hi. What an interesting topic! Let’s start with you telling us all you know about California.
Then we can talk about everyone having a voice, and maybe also why having a voice doesn’t mean you deserve an audience, and that certain responsibilities come with using it.
Barcon
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50,000 truckers eh? More like a hand full of truck drivers that are too stupid to get jabbed and load of anti vax hangers. The news reporting that 90% of all truck drivers over here are fully vaccinated.
Not sure what the percentage of unvaccinated drivers that have to regularly cross into the states are but I doubt there's 50 thousand of them.
Fucking simpletons wandering around on a 16 lane highway with their kids in tow.
Bigga
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Silly. Watch Ross Atkins video on china again. It will be clear.
Really? Do you think politicians usually feel responsibility for something outside of the remit of their elected office?
Community transmission in another country, they cannot control, they are accountable only to their own electorate.
Doesn't matter if you or me declare an interest in mass vaccinations as "citizens of the world". Politicians usually interested in short term issues don't care.
Who would you say was the greater statesman, Boris or Biden? Only one has declared support for an IP waiver.
Biden calls for intellectual property waivers on COVID vaccines
World Trade Organization negotiations over waivers are currently deadlocked amid opposition by some wealthy nations.
Yes I did. He also said according to the summary below that "delta would have been a catastrophe". At the start of this thread where you were talking about Rogan, the discussion was not limited to omicron. You were obviously talking about all forms of Covid 19.
Not sure you really understand. We aren't vaccinating people to stop them having mild illnesses.
Sit back down.
I don't need to watch Atkins to read what YOU, yourself said in text!
If you think that 'leading Govs' can't help out other countries where there's a potential of mass death then they can fuck off lecturing other countries about how they run. Silly of me, I know the US are starving countries of people through punishment. Why did I think they'd help anyone without the currency that fits their model? Biden is being ignored by Big Pharma in his own country, ffs!! Elder statesman, my arse!
You've, literally, talked about how it's 'possible' to vacc your way out of trouble by lessening the impact of a virus and yet you're backing the 'why should they help?' argument! Have you read yourself?!!
Go on, answer what he meant by "Delta would have been a disaster" especially if Delta was the variant before Omicron? You, clearly, can't understand the point he's making if he's not using vaccines as he can't get a hold of it!
Using work arounds and Vitamin D (sunbathing in this case) to find a way of beating the virus without vaccines. The rate of infection has dropped by his rate of recording.
Maybe you'll understand what it means and you can stuff your childish 'sit down' behaviour up your arse!
Mr Kobayashi
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No I didn't say why should they. I said why would they.
If you can't understand the difference, sit down.
It is a logistical undertaking unlike any other, there are very few biomedical facilities capable of producing the vaccine in the African continent, to maximise supply and reduce supply lines.
The public health infrastructure doesn't exist to deliver and administer the vaccines. Western politicians who usually think short term aren't going to commit so much bandwidth to this without being compelled to do so.
Is the answer more people would have been hospitalised and died?
In hot country on the equator? What's the applicable solution in the colder countries outside of the tropics? Sunbeds or mass supplement taking? Is that cheaper than vaccines?
Because it worked in a country where they didn't get a choice, who have a much younger population, and very few fatties living sedentary lifestyles doesn't mean it would work here.
Not what I have been seeing with my own eyes on twitter over the last few days, that’s more than a hand full. Maybe Elon Musk is also an idiot for backing the “fringe minority” too eh?
FogBlueInSanFran
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Could you two kindly take this somewhere else please?
Barcon
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Not sure how you can tell by looking at someone what they do for a living.
If you want to see with your own eyes on twitter that's up to you mate.
Or, you could read this:
JRockBlues
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FogBlueInSanFran
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Yep. And not just removing himself -- trying to escalate this: “We encourage all musicians, artists and music lovers everywhere, to stand with us all, and cut ties with Spotify.”
Bigga
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You know, I was going to respond to your whole post, but then you neatly bring everything back to Rogan's PoV, right at the end.
Debate over.