Mason Greenwood released on bail

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Jack Hackett said:
Forget who he plays for…innocent until proven guilty
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NO. People need to stop parroting this line when they clearly don't understand what it actually means.

'Innocent until proven guilty' is a legal term which has a very specific meaning related to proceedings in a court. It means that a defendant in court does not have to walk in and actively prove their innocence - it's up to the prosecution to prove their guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Unless the prosecuton can do so in line with the thresholds of evidence required, the default is that the defendant leaves the court free. Even then, the presumption of innocence isn't totally absolute. It does not mean that we should all walk around assuming that this guy is innocent and treating him as such. People are always able to use what is presented to them to reasonably form an opinion of the situation and react as such. It doesn't mean we have to wait for a criminal trial before criticising them or make other decisions. For example, employment law does not require the very high standards of proof that a criminal court does.

He's a scumbag and I am happy and comfortable to say so quite openly without waiting for a court case which he could plausibly escape with a technicality.
 
Too many on here still tying to blur the lines because of who he plays for or the media somehow would report this differently, which is complete bullshit.

Has nothing to do with his Club, who have seemingly acted as you would expect them to have done in a fast moving news event, certainly if they have no prior knowledge of direct previous.

If anything, the media has given this far greater prominence than perhaps they would have done if it were someone from another club, due to his high profile and being at United; coupled with the unusual access to the information in the public domain.

There is no whatabouterry called for.

Any decent member of society treats this with the absolute revulsion it deserves.
 
davealvers said:
NO. People need to stop parroting this line when they clearly don't understand what it actually means.

'Innocent until proven guilty' is a legal term which has a very specific meaning related to proceedings in a court. It means that a defendant in court does not have to walk in and actively prove their innocence - it's up to the prosecution to prove their guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Unless the prosecuton can do so in line with the thresholds of evidence required, the default is that the defendant leaves the court free. Even then, the presumption of innocence isn't totally absolute. It does not mean that we should all walk around assuming that this guy is innocent and treating him as such. People are always able to use what is presented to them to reasonably form an opinion of the situation and react as such. It doesn't mean we have to wait for a criminal trial before criticising them or make other decisions. For example, employment law does not require the very high standards of proof that a criminal court does.

He's a scumbag and I am happy and comfortable to say so quite openly without waiting for a court case which he could plausibly escape with a technicality.
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Bravo. This **** is as guilty as they come and, if nothing else, his career is done, as he is toxic to anybody who would even dare consider taking a chance on him.

Thankfully, the evidence will speak for itself, which is why this poor girl keeping an historical record is so brave.

Irrespective of what she now does or doesn't want to do, the law of the land will dictate and that's how it should be.

I hope they bury the **** and she still takes half his money.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Too many on here still tying to blur the lines because of who he plays for or the media somehow would report this differently, which is complete bullshit.

Has nothing to do with his Club, who have seemingly acted as you would expect them to have done in a fast moving news event, certainly if they have no prior knowledge of direct previous.

If anything, the media has given this far greater prominence than perhaps they would have done if it were someone from another club, due to his high profile and being at United; coupled with the unusual access to the information in the public domain.

There is no whatabouterry called for.

Any decent member of society treats this with the absolute revulsion it deserves.
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Posters trying to introduce club rivalry in the debate are doing themselves no favours.

United have suspended him until further notice (all they can legally do at this stage) & the overwhelming majority of United supporters have unequivocally condemned his actions (assuming they are true). It's hard to see what we would have done differently.

If a City player was accused and found guilty of serious sexual offences and violence against women then you'd expect that they would be condemned by all, regardless of who they are.

The issue here is alleged rape and violence by a man against his partner and it really has got fuck all to do with football.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Posters trying to introduce club rivalry in the debate are doing themselves no favours.

United have suspended him until further notice (all they can legally do at this stage) & the overwhelming majority of United supporters have unequivocally condemned his actions (assuming they are true). It's hard to see what we would have done differently.

If a City player was accused and found guilty of serious sexual offences and violence against women then you'd expect that they would be condemned by all, regardless of who they are.

The issue here is alleged rape and violence by a man against his partner and it really has got fuck all to do with football.
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Agreed. People forget, Mendy was starting in the first team just days before he was arrested and charged.

City wouldn't have played him if they knew what was coming down the pike.

And the accusation also United are somehow complicit in hiding this abusive relationship, seems too ridiculous to be true.

The rumours last year were all age related.
 
SWP's back said:
Tbf he had been a first team player for 4 years, played over 130 games and scored 35 times. I doubt he will play any more though.

CIES also had him valued at 135m euros prior to yesterday.

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He came off the bench in many of those games.

He did go through a purple patch, scored a few goals, and was in the starting 11 for a while.

He’s since lost his form and focus(we now know why), done bugger all on the pitch, and has either been used as a sub again, or not played at all.

As for the CIES valuation. Clme on mate, that‘s a joke. Would any club pay £135mill for Greenwood? No they wouldn’t.
 
Tb1981 said:
135m for a guy who can only do one thing, cut in and shoot
Whole premier league has worked him out
Hasn’t got any better in three years
But we can all see why now. He is a scumbag who thinks he’s reached the top when he’s at the bottom
I also thought the fact he has been nowhere near the England squad and phil is always in the squad suggested more to the story a while back
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I’m not here to defend him or make out that he’s the new Ronaldo (original), I was just making the point he was hardly a fringe squad member. All United fans I’m mates with had him down to be their next superstar and best striker.
 
jrb said:
He came off the bench in many of those games.

He did go through a purple patch, scored a few goals, and was in the starting 11 for a while.

He’s since lost his form and focus(we now know why), done bugger all on the pitch, and has either been used as a sub again, or not played at all.

As for the CIES valuation. come on mate, that‘s a joke. Would any club pay £135mill for Greenwood? No they wouldn’t.
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No, you know best ‘course. Let’s leVe it there then.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
Just heard the audio...... Never want to hear it again. Feel sick (and I work in Safeguarding).
I think this may reach a threshold for prosecution with or without the victim pressing charges.

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Yep, the audio takes it completely out of the hands of the girl in question.

That may even have been the hope or intention.

All the same, the recording is about as clear as it gets to both the act and admission/justification from the perpetrator.
 
Jack Hackett said:
Forget who he plays for…innocent until proven guilty
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In the eyes of the law, yes. The evidence thus far is pretty damning though however it came to light. Either way, there is a young girl who has been put through a trauma that nobody deserves, and let's not lose sight of that.
 
jrb said:
He came off the bench in many of those games.

He did go through a purple patch, scored a few goals, and was in the starting 11 for a while.

He’s since lost his form and focus(we now know why), done bugger all on the pitch, and has either been used as a sub again, or not played at all.

As for the CIES valuation. Clme on mate, that‘s a joke. Would any club pay £135mill for Greenwood? No they wouldn’t.
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He's considered their version of Foden mate and has been heralded in their academy for years. He isn't in the same league as Phil, but that's the narrative United fans were holding to.

He uses both feet and is certainly a better player than Rashford.

This is not Ravel Morrison we are talking about here, a lad from a bad area which couldn't shake off his upbringing.

Greenwood was their big hope after years of not bringing anyone of note through.
 
goatinho said:
some prick red in one of my whatsapp groups just keeps refering back to barry bennel saying that was worse. going on about greenwood and giggs saying they are heroes and always will be.
what a fucking weapon.
maybe it was worse but hes actually supporting them both
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Whereas no City fan on the planet has ever supported Bennell. We're 100% agreed that he's a vile ****
 
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